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For all x-JW's: quick question.....

by Kathy in

jw
friends

if you remember, i've been inquiring about how to discuss jw issues with my boyfriend's sister.

it appears she is accepting the watchtower driven interpretations of the bible, but we are still not giving up.

if you are willing, would you respond, in a nutshell, to the question, "what is the doctrine or belief that the jw's hold that was most instrumental in leading you to abandon this religion?

Jason

Chris,

The animals used to eat vegetation. Hay as well I'm sure. At least the domestcated ones.

Yes, no?

Jason.

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For all x-JW's: quick question.....

by Kathy in

jw
friends

if you remember, i've been inquiring about how to discuss jw issues with my boyfriend's sister.

it appears she is accepting the watchtower driven interpretations of the bible, but we are still not giving up.

if you are willing, would you respond, in a nutshell, to the question, "what is the doctrine or belief that the jw's hold that was most instrumental in leading you to abandon this religion?

It amuses me that you say "it is the role of scientists to determine the truth about our world. That is such a crock. Their role is to determine the truth only about things in the present or that have been recorded by men. No one has EVER witnessed macro-evolution take place, it has never been recorded and it is therefore, unscientific.
"Folk stories" "Band hermits" "we tend not to give credence", and yet you go on to say "I would be interested to hear some of this evidence." Why don't you people listen the first time. I said, "visit www.answersingenesis.com." Yes, real scientists, real science, real evidence.

It is also humorous how you say you know the truth from the evidence we dig up." Sorry buddy, evolutionists don't dig up evolution. They dig up dead animal fossils. Dead animals do not prove or even support evolution. Evolutionists and Creationists have ALL the same evidence. The reason they come to different conclusions is because they start with different assumptions about the past.

And about the scientific consensus is on the side of evolution, that's because almost every person who decides to be a scientist is taught evolution throughout highschool. The reason they believe in evolution because they are scientists. It is because they believed in it before they were scientists.

And I highly double you are a scientist. If you are, stick to science.

You said "It is good to have some scientists trying to prove evolution wrong. If they succeed, we shall abandon evolution just as scientists for so many years have abandoned incorrect theories as new evidence comes to light."

They HAVE proven evolution wrong. Over and over and over again.

And dinosaurs ARE mentioned in the bible. And why would you be ignorant to say "The largest ones (dinosaurs) could not have fit in the very specific record we have of the size of the Ark." Where do you get this information. First of all, no the biggest full grown giant dinosaurs could NOT have fit on the Ark. But who ever said the biggest full grown dinos were on the Ark? In case you didn't know, big dinosaurs start out SMALL. And since the purpose of saving the animals was so they could repopulate the earth it is quite likely God would have chosen TEENAGE dinosaurs, not fully grown adults. And another thing. An entire book has been written on the feasability of Noah's Ark. It had more than enough room for ALL the animals including the dinosaurs.

And tell me how your examples are "biological mistakes." Crawling "on all fours" does not mean "with four legs." It is an idiom for "crawling on the ground."

And I would be interested to hear some of your evidence for evolution.

"If all animals were vegetation before the flood, and you don't believe in evolution, how did some animals become adapted to the life style of the carnivourous so quickly after the flood? Was this another miracle of God, or did they very rapidly evolve into meat eaters. Without going into detail, carnivors have different kinds of eyes and teeth than vegetarian animals." Actually, Speedy, there wasn't an "evoltionary" change at all. Did you know that some species of bears with "sharp teeth for eating meat" are strictly vegetarian. Sharp teeth doesn't mean "eats meat." Sharp teeth are perfect for eating friuts and veggies. Their teeth didn't change, but the did start using there teeth for another purpose.

And you want me to explain evolution? Isn't it obvious. One living organism changing over time into an entirely different organism by means of natural selection. What else do you want to know. Any form of evolution, except for micro-evolution, is stil...evolution.

If you choose to do so you can email me personally at [email protected]. feel free.

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For all x-JW's: quick question.....

by Kathy in

jw
friends

if you remember, i've been inquiring about how to discuss jw issues with my boyfriend's sister.

it appears she is accepting the watchtower driven interpretations of the bible, but we are still not giving up.

if you are willing, would you respond, in a nutshell, to the question, "what is the doctrine or belief that the jw's hold that was most instrumental in leading you to abandon this religion?

Jason

Hi Pat,

Sorry to bust your bubble but dinosaurs DO NOT pre-date humans. The bible says ALL land animals were created on the sixth day. And no, they did not always eat meat. The bible says humans and all animals were created to eat veggatation. You said ALL "scientific sources" teach this. Try again. Visit www.answersingenesis.org. JWs are wrong, not the Bible. Dinosaurs were created the same day as Adam and Eve, just as the Bible says. Dinosaurs were also on Noah's Ark, and dinosaurs are even mentioned in the Bible. Read Job 40&41.

Now many Bible foot notes say these animals were a hippotimus or an crocodile. But is a crocodile a fire breathing dragon too powerful to overtake? Does a hippo have a tail like a cedar tree? Honestly.

There is much more evidence to support the biblical view of creation than there is for evolutionary dogma.

I don't mean to be rude in the least but I find it humorous that you would use "Dinosaur" as a source of real history over the Word of God. It didn't even get the evolutionary view right, let alone the biblical one!

Jason.

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A few question that are leading to some confusion

by anidchick in

i am in the process of becoming a jehovah witnesses, but there were a few areas i was still unsure about and i was hopin i could get some answers:.

) what is the exact view of jesus?.

) how is the view of the whole trinity with god, holy ghost, son seen?.

Jason

anidchick,

If you want the truth, email me. [email protected].
Don't listen to just anyone. Listen to the truth. Personal opinion means nothing if it is not God's opinion.

PS- I am a Christian, not a JW.

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Re: Hello all! Looking for answers!

by ilusiondtenerte in

i was raised jehovah witness.

i am not practicing at the moment!.

it's been over 15 years, that i don't attend the kingdom hall.. i have been married with a man that is a practicing seventh day adventist, and as everyone knows the conflicts in our beliefs are tremendous.. i don't agree with his beliefs and visa versa!.

Jason

Wounded heart-

Here are some of the differences between Christianity and JWs.

I believe the Holy Spirit is a person, the Spirit of God, as the Bible says He is. One third of the "trinity." JWs believe He is just an impersonal "active force."

I believe Jesus was hung on a cross, not a stake.

I believe Jesus is God, JWs believe He is an angel.

I believe everyone who calls on the name of the Lord Jesus in truth shall be saved and they will live for eternity in heaven with Him. He said to all of his followers, "Where I am there will be also."
JWs believe only 144,000 will go to heaven. They believe these 144,000 "Jewish male virgins" refer to Jehovah's Witnesses. Male, female, probably none virgins, and doubtfully Jewish. The rest stay on earth.

I believe in Hell, that it is a place of eternal condemnation, conscious pain and suffering as the bible says it is. "Their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched."
"Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And ANYONE NOT FOUND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE WAS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE."Rev.20:14
"The sons of the kingdom will be cast into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."Matt.8:12.

He(anyone who recieves the mark of the beast)shall be TORMENTED WITH FIRE and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the lamb. And the smoke of their tormentascends FOREVER AND EVER; and they have NO REST DAY OR NIGHT..."Rev.14:10&11.

I believe in the physical, not spiritual resurrection of our saviour. "'I will raise this temple in three days'...The temple of which He was speaking was His body."John 2:19-21.

JWs believe Christ came back in spirit form in 1914. They once claimed He returned in 1874. I believe He is yet to come. For these reasons.

#1. Christ said that false prophets would claim He had returned but taught that we should not listen to them. "Then if anyone tells you,'Look here is the Christ! or 'There!' DO NOT BELIEVE IT. For false Christs and false prophets will rise..." Matt.24:23&24.

So if we are not supposed to believe ANYONE who claims that our Messiah has come. How will we know He has come? Simple. We'll SEE Him return!

"Then the sign of the Son of Man will APPEAR in heaven, and then ALL THE TRIBES OF THE EARTH WILL MOURN, and they will SEE the Son of Man on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." Matt.24:30.

Does that sound like a hidden, secret, quiet, invisible return to you? It's hard to believe Christ has been here since the early 1900s and yet no one has 'mourned', no one has 'seen' Him, there has been no glory, no sign in the heaven.

These are just a FEW of the differences between Christianity and JWs.
If I've offended anyone I apologize but hey, the truth hurts. I tell it like it is. I hope I've helped someone to see the light today. Or even just encouraged someone in the faith.

Anymore questions, just ask.

Jason Mendoza.

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Re: Hello all! Looking for answers!

by ilusiondtenerte in

i was raised jehovah witness.

i am not practicing at the moment!.

it's been over 15 years, that i don't attend the kingdom hall.. i have been married with a man that is a practicing seventh day adventist, and as everyone knows the conflicts in our beliefs are tremendous.. i don't agree with his beliefs and visa versa!.

Jason

Wounded heart,

I have to make this quick but I'll finish replying to you tonight.

I am a Christian. I have never been a JW. I was...I don't know what until I was 16 and I prayed for God, if there was a God, to show me the truth. By the time I was 17 He had open my eyes and welcomed me into His heart. My goal in life now is to help others to find truth as well. What do I believe? I believe what the Bible actually says. Not what someone says it means like most people who claim to be Christians of any kind. There are MILLIONS of differences between what I believe and what JWs believe. There are many differences between what I believe and the Catholics, Mormons, most Protestants, etc, etc,etc.

Like I said I will answer more in-depth later tonight.

And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. For in Me(Jesus) you are free indeed.

Jason Mendoza.

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Re: Hello all! Looking for answers!

by ilusiondtenerte in

i was raised jehovah witness.

i am not practicing at the moment!.

it's been over 15 years, that i don't attend the kingdom hall.. i have been married with a man that is a practicing seventh day adventist, and as everyone knows the conflicts in our beliefs are tremendous.. i don't agree with his beliefs and visa versa!.

Jason

Wounded Heart-

I didn't write much last time because I didn't have much time. Here is a brief outline or the truth, but "the truth" is a vague thing to ask about. If this doesn't help you may ask specific questions on this site if you are not comfortable emailing me.

The truth is, (as you probably already know) YHWH created the universe and all that is in them in six literal days (So the evening and the morning were the sixth day-Gen.1:31). He saw all that He had made and that "it was very good."

Man was perfect, man would live forever in Eden, without sickness, famine, disease, or death.

Then God's first in command believed he could be more powerful than YHWH himself. (Is.14:14). He fooled man and made him disobey God. When God came to see what had happened A'dam and his wife were hidden away. God asked why and A'dam replied, "I was afraid because I was naked." (Gen.3:10).

Because of this tragic event which took place around 6000 years ago, we are separated from YHWH. YHWH planned to destroy all that He had created in the times of Noah. Man had become so vile and wicked that God decided to flood the world. If it hadn't been for ONE righteous man we would not be here today.(Gen.7&8).

YHWH had to provide some way to be reunited to his people, His creation. His law said that if a man sinned he, instead of him having his own blood shed for the sin, would have to cover his own sin by sacrificing an animal instead. This could only be a temporary solution to the problem. There needed to be one final sacrifice that would cover up the sin of all mankind. YHWH took it upon himself to become that very sacrifice. (Is.40:3-5/Luke 3:4-6).

He became all man, yet remained all God. He did not know in his manhood "the day or the hour"(Matt.24:36) yet as the omnipresent one He saw Nathanael under the fig tree. (John 1:43).

"I AM has sent me to you."-Gen.3:14.
"Before abraham was, I AM." -John 8:58.

Christ said, "I and My Father are one." Then the Jews took up stones (as YHWH commanded the Jews to do if a man blasphemes YHWH-Lev.24:16) again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of these works do you stone me?" The Jews answered Him, saying," For a good work we do not stone you, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a man, make Yourself God."

He, after proclaiming the good news, was murdered, as He had planned. Since he had not sinned He was a perfect sacrifice for all mankind. He became our sin, offering forgiveness to every man. He was buried in a tomb and rose from the dead three days later. If Christ has not been raised we are still in our sins.

Now that YHWH has provided attonement for humanity, he waits for the day when His bride is ready to receive Him. Then He will return for 1000 years. Soon after that He will make new heaven and new Earth. And those who have accepted His salvation will be a part of that new creation. The lion will eat straw with the ox, and the children will play by the snakes den. There will be no more eating of flesh, no more death or disease, or sickness. Man will be naked, but he will not know it, and he will not be ashamed. Will there be "dinosaurs" there? Yes. As strange as that sounds, God will create everything again, including the animals that have become extinct. And we will live in "Eden" forever.

If you have more questions, I have more answers.

Jason Mendoza.

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Re: Hello all! Looking for answers!

by ilusiondtenerte in

i was raised jehovah witness.

i am not practicing at the moment!.

it's been over 15 years, that i don't attend the kingdom hall.. i have been married with a man that is a practicing seventh day adventist, and as everyone knows the conflicts in our beliefs are tremendous.. i don't agree with his beliefs and visa versa!.

Jason

dear Gigi,
If you are confused, write me at [email protected]. I can probably answer any question you have concerning your religion. Believe me, I can help. You may feel at home when you enter the kingdom hall. But that's because you were raised in it. There is only one truth and I can tell you what it is. If you need guidance or have a question, just write to me. I'm not like most people. I'm not your enemy, and I am not ignorant.

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Re: Hello all! Looking for answers!

by ilusiondtenerte in

i was raised jehovah witness.

i am not practicing at the moment!.

it's been over 15 years, that i don't attend the kingdom hall.. i have been married with a man that is a practicing seventh day adventist, and as everyone knows the conflicts in our beliefs are tremendous.. i don't agree with his beliefs and visa versa!.

Jason

Well first off, both of your beliefs are wrong.
But to answer your question about shunning.

The Bible says that "if anyone does not obey our word in this epistle, note that person and do not keep company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet DO NOT count him as an enemy, but ADMONISH HIM AS A BROTHER." -2thess.3:14 and 15.

JWs teach that you should shun anyone who has been excommunicated. Not only is this taking the verses they cite out of context, it is just not biblical. The bible says to "treat that man as you would an unbeliever." That does not mean to shun him. HOW WOULD YOU TREAT AN UNBELIEVER? Would you stick your nose in the air and ignore him? Of course not! Love your enemies!

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Christ's Resurrection

by bjd4jc in

i know that jw's believe that christ was raised from the dead as an importal spiritual being.

i have a problem with this because jesus said that he would be raised in bodily form.

no jw has been able to explain this scripture to me.

Jason

In your message you cite different translations of the bible in order to try to prove that Christ was resurrested in "spirit form."

"In the spirit" he did this, and "In the spirit" he did that.

Are you aware that even the scholars who translated ALL of these versions of the bible believe in the physical resurrection?

These versus say He did things "in the spirit." They do not say, however, that He did things AS a spirit." His "spiritual body" was not a "spirit body." Every scholar who has ever translated a bible agrees and knows that when it says in english "spiritual body" it says in Greek "supernatural body."

His body was not JUST physical or JUST spiritual. It was SUPERNATURAL. That is why he could not only touch, be touched, and eat food, but he could also go through walls, ascend to heaven, etc, etc, etc.

If you don't believe Christ was physically resurrected then you have two more options. #1. You believe Christ lied when He said he would be resurrected physically. Or #2. You believe the bible contradicts itself and is not an accurate record of Christ's ministry.

Think for yourself. Don't let others think for you.