In the end it could be quite powerful if a simple question helped her to reason and see for herself.
Whatever works though.
Sounds like good progress.
well, had a loooooooong conversation with the missus again after being accused of being overly critical of the borg.. .
i stated that i thought the borg was marvellous, full of really good people, (in our experience, it has been so far), but that i had difficulty with the dogmatic stance we had on certain issues that we couldn't possibly be sure about, and that if i were to vocalise any of these issues and unrepentantly not change my thinking, then i could be df'd for that, which i view as an unloving bullying tactic.
organ transplants, vaccinations, (jah will resurrect, don't worry), new understandings of the fads and generations etc... particularly the thought that only jw's will be saved.
In the end it could be quite powerful if a simple question helped her to reason and see for herself.
Whatever works though.
Sounds like good progress.
i am helping out a support group in spanish for ex-jw's and i need help on something:.
if one is df'd, how would one ever help your relatives?
how to get to talk to them and try and help them to come out of the cult?
I think using a third party could work.
I am looking to make myself available as a third party in the future.
just letting off a bit more steam.
why can't sisters look after the library or the sound.
what makes the brothers so damned special???.
Women I believe have been greatly favoured and protected from being refused positions in the evil apostate "ruling religious clergy class" hierarchy of Pharisees.
Men, to our eternal shame, have for thousands of years, blighted this earth with religion and war.
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i will like to share some facts about the spanish congregations in usa.
What YY2 and others have said: " Villagegirl, WOW!! Impressive prose and absolutely spot on."
autobiography.
forever began at the day of my birth, but, it turns out that it was a lie,.
i am who i am when nobody's watching, then nothing is there to deny.. .
Pharisee confused
My family you would abuse
Pharisee blind
Others you would bind
Pharisee inebriated
From the truth you deviated
Pharisee apostate
You'll not see heaven's gate
Pharisee insane
It is death you gain
Pharisee dead
Gehenna has your head
we and our unbaptised children have now been cut off by our last jw family members.
cowardly email at the bottom and my response just below.
sorry it's rambling and probably not the best thing to send, but we are upset and angry.
In our family's case it was a simple question that prompted us to investigate and eventually see just how secretly corrupt the apostate Watchtower organisation is.
Fortunately we weren't told anything specific or negative - just given the opportunity to eventually work it out and see it for ourselves.
my friend was slagging off one of my other friends saying they have been known to say apotate things.
she does apostate things herself without realising it.
she meant well because she fears the word apostate as i once did, but she openly says to me my jc was lacking in holy spirit.. she doesn't have a clue what apostacy really is she just wants me not to mix with ones who have been known said "apostate things".
Their own Bible correctly defines apostasy.
One can search the Bible in the wt library for the following using paragraph scope:
aposta* unfaithful*
One can also search the NWT Bible for:
prostit*
is it normal for the elders in your congregation to spy on you through your wife?
texting her to see whats up with you and what your doing or saying etc.
using her as the in house spy???
According to their own teaching you are the head of the house and all communication should be directed to and through you - no texting or phoning your wife, at least IMHO.
for those of you who have a minute to read this, here is a report from my family trip.. i was in florida for the holidays visiting my older sister and family, along with my parents which were also visiting.. although i've had conversations with my mother about the organization, my sister and her family had no idea of my position in regards to the (un)truth - perhaps because we live far away from each other.
i knew the day was coming.... on my second day there, the whole family was sitting around bs-ing about different stuff, and as usual my mother starts with the "world is getting worse by the day" conversation, followed by approving nods and smart remarks from the rest of the family.
i then politely told them that this was not true, that in fact the world has never been better.
Well done.
What about making them do the hard yards instead next time?
Get them to agree to answer some simple and well chosen questions - and then hold them to it - maybe guiding them to the relevant publication and page.
quite simply, most jw's are scared as heck of ever reading information critical of the watchtower society.
deep down they genuinly fear their 'faith' wouldn't stand it.. ignorance and resisting contrary information is the final defense for jw's.
it is the fall-back position they mentally run to at the slightest bit of criticism.
Great write-up YY2.
"Unity in error" and "unity in ignorance".
The poor, pathetic, slimy, apostate Watchtower.