Posts by Fernando

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The conflict of living in a divided home is finally getting to me - 8 years later - advice please

by jambon1 in

jw
friends

to cut my long story short, having left the religion in 2006, my marriage with 2 young kids involved went through a fairly difficult time.

for a few years.

as i rebelled against the belief system i was astonished that having pointed out reasonable & logical objections, my wife just stood by the religion.

Fernando

Do you think you and your wife could find clarity, healing, peace, wholeness and common ground, if you both agreed to make a pursuit of the actual theme (or central message) of the Bible, which although in the Watchtower library, is very different from that effectively taught by the Watchtower?

It worked wonders for our family, although initially my wife thought I had become apostate.

My wife has been transformed from mindless Watchtower drone and spiritual dunce, with no voice and no opinion, to someone a tradesman elder working on our home this week was afraid of and ran away from. I am so proud of her, considering all she has been through with the Watchtower religion/ists and cult/ists.

Not only are we completely religion free, but we are enjoying a vibrant faith and spirituality, and frequently have great, passionate, in-depth and exciting discussions.

Please let us know if we can be of any help (for example by supplying a sequence of "simple" questions for research in the Watchtower library).

Our best wishes for you and your family

Fernando

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Someone somewhere forgot to Trade Mark "The Truth" and "TTATT"

by Fernando in

just a moment ago i came across a (smaller) cult with quite a few similarities to the watchtower.. jw = cooneyites, two-by-twos, "the truth" (and more).

wbts = christian conventions (and more).

ct russell = william irvine.

Fernando

How They Differ...in What They Believe

How They Differ...in What They Do Not Believe

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Someone somewhere forgot to Trade Mark "The Truth" and "TTATT"

by Fernando in

just a moment ago i came across a (smaller) cult with quite a few similarities to the watchtower.. jw = cooneyites, two-by-twos, "the truth" (and more).

wbts = christian conventions (and more).

ct russell = william irvine.

Fernando

From Marie Judd's Story: "I had always questioned the belief that only people in 'the Truth' are saved. I have some lovely friends outside who have never laid any burden on me, and I had a hard time believing they were not saved."

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Someone somewhere forgot to Trade Mark "The Truth" and "TTATT"

by Fernando in

just a moment ago i came across a (smaller) cult with quite a few similarities to the watchtower.. jw = cooneyites, two-by-twos, "the truth" (and more).

wbts = christian conventions (and more).

ct russell = william irvine.

Fernando

Do you think we could use this to help a loved one?:

"Dear loved one, I am thinking of joining the 'Two by Twos'. Do you know anything about them?"

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Someone somewhere forgot to Trade Mark "The Truth" and "TTATT"

by Fernando in

just a moment ago i came across a (smaller) cult with quite a few similarities to the watchtower.. jw = cooneyites, two-by-twos, "the truth" (and more).

wbts = christian conventions (and more).

ct russell = william irvine.

Fernando

Just a moment ago I came across a (smaller) cult with quite a few similarities to the Watchtower.

JW = Cooneyites, Two-by-Twos, "The Truth" (and more)

WBTS = Christian Conventions (and more)

CT Russell = William Irvine

TTATT = TTT (Telling The Truth, about "The Truth")

JWN = http://thelibertyconnection.info

JWfacts = www.tellingthetruth.info

What are your thoughts (on similarities etc)?

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KM Oct 2014 - Homosexuality (week of Oct 13th)

by Splash in

it would be interesting to have some present (stonewall?

) at these meetings to witness and record talk number three on the tms.. talk 3 - "what the bible says about homosexuality" (reasoning book p.368-369).

the reasoning book tells us in part:.

Fernando

For anyone interested in an alternative scriptural perspective (detailed): http://biblehouseofgrace.com/same%20sex%20relationships.html

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I still love Kingdom Melodies.

by POs Son in

jw
friends

ok, at the risk of getting flamed, i have been out for over 20 years, and still love kingdom melodies.

i remember them for the good times, the conventions and assemblies, hearing the orchestral versions, imagining the orchestra playing.

some pieces were really nice.

Fernando

It is sad, but necessary, to chuck out the honey because of the arsenic in it.

JW - but see the honey!

exJW - what about the arsenic?

JW - but see the honey!

exJW -

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SHOCKING elder's talk: "..when we are baptized we abdicate all responsibility to think for ourselves.."

by yadda yadda 2 in

i found this recorded elder's talk (presumably genuine) quite disturbing in how he states that in order to maintain unity, jw's have given up thinking for themselves and passed over their thinking ability to the governing body.. "when you're baptized, your thinking is not your own anymore...your thinking is done for you...we carry out to the letter everything the society tells us to do..." .

his concluding statement "stop thinking for yourselves!".

there's the usual reference to the korah and those who challenged moses, but "you in the congregation are safe as long as you don't speak out against the elders and jehovah's organisation...".

Fernando

As a caricature, this video seems to have succeeded by eliciting a strong response from a Borg defender on YouTube, by daring to verbalise the hidden message of the GB (Sanhedrin): "our followers are the 'thinkingest' people on earth because they let us think for them".

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SHOCKING elder's talk: "..when we are baptized we abdicate all responsibility to think for ourselves.."

by yadda yadda 2 in

i found this recorded elder's talk (presumably genuine) quite disturbing in how he states that in order to maintain unity, jw's have given up thinking for themselves and passed over their thinking ability to the governing body.. "when you're baptized, your thinking is not your own anymore...your thinking is done for you...we carry out to the letter everything the society tells us to do..." .

his concluding statement "stop thinking for yourselves!".

there's the usual reference to the korah and those who challenged moses, but "you in the congregation are safe as long as you don't speak out against the elders and jehovah's organisation...".

Fernando

*** g82 9/22 p. 18 Should I Be Afraid of What Others Think? ***
Many young persons let others do their thinking for them. Rather than deciding for themselves the best course, they follow the crowd.

*** g82 9/22 p. 18 Should I Be Afraid of What Others Think? ***
But when your peers see that you will do your own thinking and stand up for right principles, expect some problems. Why?

“The man [or, woman] of thinking abilities is hated.” (Proverbs 14:17) A young person who exercises his thinking faculties and refuses to conform to improper peer pressure is often disliked and ridiculed.

*** w56 6/15 p. 360 Getting and Giving the Thoughts of God ***
We usually believe what we want to believe, and one thing we like to believe is that we do our own thinking. Hence it is not too hard for clever propagandists to make us think their thoughts are ours. They plant the thought and nourish it, but do it so subtly that we think it is our own.

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Please do not send your Elders to my house!

by Pinku in

this was the last sentence my dad wrote to gb in his letter explaining why he is disassociating from jws.

it seems gb did not send copy of the letter to the body of elders!

sometime later two elders visited him to encourage him to rethink his decision.

Fernando

Having taught against deathbed repentance (a change of heart) they could not avail themselves of it.

Fear of death, at the level described, is a scriptural confirmation of their captive state, in which they misled others too (Matt 23:15):

(Hebrews 2:15) . . .[that] he might emancipate all those who for fear of death were subject to slavery all through their lives.

(Matthew 23:15) . . .“Woe to YOU, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because YOU traverse sea and dry land to make one proselyte, and when he becomes one YOU make him a subject for Ge·hen′na twice as much so as yourselves.