Posts by Fernando

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It's all coming back...

by SoJo16 in

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i joined the board this month and holy cow, are there ever some interesting points of view here.. a bit about my background: my dad was an unbaptised born-in who nevertheless went to vietnam and college where he met my mom.

mom was lutheran, but dad told her the only religion he was interested in belonging to was the jdubs.

they married in the early 70s and were both baptized.

Fernando

Welcome SoJo16.

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Why can't I just leave?

by Trapped in JW land in

some of you may know my situation.

i'm still going to meetings, but i am a closet apostate and homosexual i. only keep going to meetings to please my family and some friends.

i guess i could tell my mom i no longer want to be a jehovah's witness and stop going to meetings, but i'm too scared to do it.

Fernando

I would vote for moving out first before fading.

Gradual is best.

No sudden bombshells.

Less trauma for all involved.

It is more empowering to leave on your terms, and "come out" when you are less vulnerable.

Hopefully your partner is supportive of a process that meets your needs.

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Who's lying to whom---JWB

by Brainfloss in

this is a great collection of watchtower quotes that contradict themselves.. probably been posted before but worth a look!.

http://smmcroberts.net/blog/a-jehovahs-witness-dilemma-part-three#fnote1.

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Fernando

Thanks for posting.

It's a great article and approach.

The best quote really is:

"Truth does not contradict itself or deny the facts. It does not go contrary to reality… It does not change because of location or time. The truth is provable by actual fact. The truth endures, persists, because it is genuine, actually existing, in harmony with reality." – Things in Which it is Impossible for God to Lie p. 22

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Understanding our CURE from ADDICTION to the Watchtower cult.

by Fernando in

would it be fair to say many of the posts on jwn are in essence about this?.

if we could better understand what worked for us, would we be better able to help others?.

where do basic human needs ("met" by the cult) end, and where does addiction start?.

Fernando

Personally I believe the cult has a covert and corrupt agenda of creating ADDICTION when it draws us in by meeting some of our basic human needs (community, belonging, a belief system, an identity, and so on).

Our loved ones it seems are therefore ADDICTS and characteristically also in denial.

And possibly that is why it is so hard to help and reach them, despite clear evidence of Watchtower lies and corruption.

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What should the WBT$ do to get on track?

by punkofnice in

it looks as if the gb are blundering around and really showing themselves up for the buffoons they are.

all the stupidity about tight trousers is laughable and if the general public were to see these selfmportant cult leaders blabbing this stuff then the last shred of their credibility would be destroyed.........perhaps.. the wbt$ seem to have dug themselves into a deep pit of no escape with their lies, new light(tm), paedophile protection and all the other nauseating peripherals they have.. we also suspect that the wbt$ have their spies here because they are either predictable or get ideas form forums like this.. so!

are you listening watchtower(r)?

Fernando

(Matthew 19:21) . . .Jesus said to him: “If you want to be perfect, go sell your belongings and give to the poor and you will have treasure in heaven, and come be my follower.”

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Outrageous, but yet funny line by zone visit!

by Beth Sarim in

so, i watched this recorded broadcast by one of the bigs,i heard this rediculous but yet humourous statement.

something like ''spritually sluggish is the same as wickedness or evel.

lol, get a load of that lol.

Fernando

What Mr BIG meant was being sluggish toward the Watchtower religion - a snare and a racket.

How lazy, careless and ignorant of Mr BIG not to distinguish...

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Feeling sad over a wasted life in watchtower

by wannaexit in

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it's been 12 years since i first read ray franz's books and the scales came off my eyes.

by that time i was in my forties.. since 2002 i went back to school and have worked with 3 very professional organizations.

but my biological clock is ticking away and while my peers are looking forward to retirement, i am only beginning.

Fernando

Personally I draw some encouragement from the late Nelson Mandela who was deeply passionate about change and social justice.

He took a few wrong turns and wasted a lot of time pursuing violence as change agent.

Then, after having a significant change of heart, his real career, as a highly respected and successful non-violent change agent began at the age of 75 and lasted around 20 years.

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Understanding our CURE from ADDICTION to the Watchtower cult.

by Fernando in

would it be fair to say many of the posts on jwn are in essence about this?.

if we could better understand what worked for us, would we be better able to help others?.

where do basic human needs ("met" by the cult) end, and where does addiction start?.

Fernando

Would it be fair to say many of the posts on JWN are in essence about this?

If we could better understand what worked for us, would we be better able to help others?

Where do basic human needs ("met" by the cult) end, and where does ADDICTION start?

Could our (former) idolatrous worship of the VISIBLE golden calf (GB/FDS/clergy class/JW.org) be understood as an ADDICTION that was/is hard to overcome?

If so, did you experience your ADDICTION to the cult as a disease of the spirit?

If so, was the CURE spiritual?

If not, what was the nature of the CURE for you?

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why didnt God just do this?

by sowhatnow in

for one thing, i cant get past genesis, but no matter.. when god told adam and eve if you eat from the tree youll die.

so why did he not simple let them die and not allow the offspring to?.

you see, if i was a god, and i told two people that, id let them die , .

Fernando

I've benefitted from contemplating the backstory and symbolism.

Both as a summary, and in detail.

The book "Two Trees" by Robert Ingleson presents a compelling and detailed backstory that resonates with my own challenging experience, journey and insights.

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I need help

by tiredroadie in

im new here, and dont know much about jw, other than what im reading.

i have my best friend who is having bible study in her home with 2 witnesses, and she is soaking it in.

she is very defensive and is getting more and more closed off.

Fernando

Hi and welcome tiredroadie!

Our family stopped following the Watchtower after 4 generations and 4 decades.

We were asked a simple question by a believer:

"What is the gospel in one word?"

Of course we soon discovered for ourselves that the liberating gospel message (according to Paul, Moses, Isaiah and Psalms) could be found in the Watchtower library, albeit fragmented and not focussed on.

However we also soon discovered for ourselves that it is glaringly obvious that Watchtower followers do not have the liberating gospel message in their hearts or on their lips.

We also soon discovered for ourselves that there is nothing Watchtower leaders hate and fear more than the liberating gospel message according to Paul.

Maybe you could get your friend to "teach" you the liberating gospel message (or "Good News") according to Paul?

Maybe you could ask her to "help" you work out what percentage of the Bible's references to "Good News" are by Paul, using the Watchtower's own online library ( http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/s/r1/lp-e?q=%22good+news%22&fc%5B%5D=bi ).

Maybe at a later stage you could ask her to once again "help" you figure out how many times Paul mentions the word "Kingdom" in the same sentence as the phrase "Good News", and why (zero out of 85 times, http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/s/r1/lp-e?q=%22good+news%22+Kingdom&fc%5B%5D=bi&p=sen ).