Posts by Fernando

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I Need Help Getting My Head Straight.......

by TTATTelder in

one of the things i have been wresting with mentally is unraveling the "us vs. them" mentality that has been driven into my skull in the organization.. i am starting this thread seeking advice on how others have come to grip with this.. this is what i struggle with:.

i like the feeling/thought of being among people that live, or try to live, or at least know they ought to live by higher standards of conduct (maybe it is just what i'm used to...).

when you walk out of a convention of people dressed up, clean-cut, shaven, non-smoking, less-profanity-speaking, fairly orderly etc and see what greets you in the streets outside, it is a big contrast.. i am also still trying to understand how a religion that has conned people (so is morally wrong) could also be so well organized and have a lot of truly decent folks among their ranks.

Fernando

Our family is finding that the liberating unabridged gospel message, hidden in plain sight throughout scripture, helps us to see a more unified picture of the human race, and to see the heart, rather than the external appearance which as Billy said can be carefully crafted window dressing, especially in the case of religious folk.

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Religion vs the gospel

by Fernando in

our family's journey out of the watchtower has led us to see the gospel as the antithesis or exact opposite of religion.. for us religion is men telling us what to believe and do (to control us).. for us the gospel is god telling us what he has done (to liberate us from such men).. how have you come to see the relationship between religion and the gospel?.

Fernando

For our family religion is about middlemen, whereas the gospel is about dealing direct.

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does the org monitor this site?

by venting in

jw
friends

i,m sure they would like to find out the names of some who post here.

venting..

Fernando

Yeah, Phizzy, I do believe they get most of their Noo Lite (aka change of direction) from us dissenters, especially here on JWN.

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I'm afraid I'd be single for life

by ohnightdivine in

this is quite embarrassing for me to share, but as a 30+ year old single female i have lingering doubts as to whether i can still meet a decent man and get married.. you all know how difficult it is for sisters to find an appropriate partner in the congregation.. and now, all the more so that i've learned ttatt.

i still am bound by low self-esteem, and i do have trust issues, especially with men.

i am very lonely and so i just keep myself busy with work to avoid depression (although it is also a great source of stress).. any other single females out there having similar thoughts?.

Fernando

bigmac it sounds like you have enough adventures to write a book whilst you wait for your new lady's return.

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Did Christ Put an End to Organised Religion

by seekchristonly in

yes, he was that radical.

im suggesting he put an end to organised religion with the prophesied destruction of jerusalem , the jewsish system, the old covenant and the temple in the 1st century..

Fernando

Maybe organised religion co-opted and corrupted baptism and communion?

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Did Christ Put an End to Organised Religion

by seekchristonly in

yes, he was that radical.

im suggesting he put an end to organised religion with the prophesied destruction of jerusalem , the jewsish system, the old covenant and the temple in the 1st century..

Fernando

Anti-Semitic?

Somehow I thought Jesus was born a Jew, loved ordinary and downtrodden Jews, and took exception to those that were leading them astray (through religious legalism and moralism).

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Religion vs the gospel

by Fernando in

our family's journey out of the watchtower has led us to see the gospel as the antithesis or exact opposite of religion.. for us religion is men telling us what to believe and do (to control us).. for us the gospel is god telling us what he has done (to liberate us from such men).. how have you come to see the relationship between religion and the gospel?.

Fernando

From propaganda, manipulation, coercion, deception, control, and dysfunction.

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Religion vs the gospel

by Fernando in

our family's journey out of the watchtower has led us to see the gospel as the antithesis or exact opposite of religion.. for us religion is men telling us what to believe and do (to control us).. for us the gospel is god telling us what he has done (to liberate us from such men).. how have you come to see the relationship between religion and the gospel?.

Fernando

Most Christians are unfamiliar with the unabridged gospel.

The same for most Jews who (should) know the gospel as "bissar".

The same for most Muslims who (should) know the gospel as "injil"/"injeel".

God has created the legal framework and precedents for our liberation.

These are communicated through the comprehensive, unabridged and common gospel/bissar/injil/injeel message, hidden in plain sight throughout the common Judeo-Christian-Muslim scriptures.

We are invited to accept on very generous terms, but religion, ignorance and busy-ness are powerful enemies.

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Religion vs the gospel

by Fernando in

our family's journey out of the watchtower has led us to see the gospel as the antithesis or exact opposite of religion.. for us religion is men telling us what to believe and do (to control us).. for us the gospel is god telling us what he has done (to liberate us from such men).. how have you come to see the relationship between religion and the gospel?.

Fernando

Our family's journey out of the Watchtower has led us to see the gospel as the antithesis or exact opposite of religion.

For us religion is men telling us what to believe and do (to control us).

For us the gospel is God telling us what he has done (to liberate us from such men).

How have you come to see the relationship between religion and the gospel?

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"Religion is a snare and a racket" sandwich boards

by stuckinarut2 in

just thinking how ironic it would be if a new 'generation' (see what i did there??

hehe), made up sandwich boards with.

"religion is a snare and a racket".