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  What's up with all these Gloom & Doom threads?

  by whereami in

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  the forum has recently been peppered with all these end of world, gloom & doom threads.

  some people all the sudden know exactly what's going on and it's meaning and what's going to happen next.. why do people love these conspiracy theories soo much?

  have we not learned?.

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  DeathSentry

  So..um isn't a Wayshower more aligned with the theory that we are originally from another planet? Just trying to confirm here...thx!
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  Just Tell Us In Plain English

  by headisspinning in

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  if god has instructions for sincere people why can't he just tell us what they are in plain language?.

  he could do that and some people would fall in line and others wouldn't.. if i was god, that's what i would do.. as a parent, that's what i do with my kids.. i am so tired of all the guesswork..

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  That was my plight as well; even to the point of depression. I would have vacation days and just sit inside because I couldn't figure it out. I mean I was so angry after praying and crying about it that i just gave up. So I don't pray anymore, not really, and I try not to think about it though at the same time, I stress about there must be something more to life than this. I wandered into new age for a bit, but there, everyone believes themselves to be gods once they are finished with the reincarnation cycle. I looked into Buddhism and similarly, the whole avatar thing just didn't synch with me.

  So now after being exhausted about it all, I just give up. I will watch Charles Stanley from time to time until he starts talking about secular politics then I get disgusted with him too for awhile. Not sure why God is making this so hard but...

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  I hear ya bruh. I feel this way sometimes too. I say to myself, "so God stopped speaking directly to the human race because the Israelites got scared and told Moses to speak on God's behalf for now on." So God stopped speaking directly to the human race from that point onward. He sent prophets, and other representatives in His behalf. Jesus came, and after His disciples died off, that was the end of any reasonable attempt at identifying chosen representatives. So here we are in 2011, and we have to put this puzzle together as to what truth is, and what falsity is. If we choose wrong, we either burn in hell according to some faiths, or we're going to be annihalated forever according to the WT. Not to mentioned the thousands of other groups who claim to be God's chosen ones. I don't think we can fault anyone who gets tired of all the guesswork. On one hand I'm glad to be exploring the various different theological thoughts since waking up from this stupor called being a born in JW. However, it at times gets tiresome reading all these different views. It wears me down to the point that I look at young people dancing half naked on MTV or what have you, and I envy them for not worrying about the same thing I worry about. It aint fair some days.
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  2011 Special Talk: Bible Principles-Can They Help Us to Cope With Today's Problems?

  by yknot in

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  ahh low and behold!.

  it turns out those bethelites were being bold!.

  brazen is what many with login privileges can be called.... ....... knowing that such an important talk outline shouldn't be stalled!.

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  DeathSentry

  Actuallly one of my relatives is a JW and he said he noticed that they have toned down the talks some; not as much "world coming to an end" type of thing; I guess now with the overlapping generations they realize no one is going to get excited about it anymore...and it has gotten them into a tight corner on more than a few occaisions.
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  "Trust the Faithful and Discreet Slave" Transcript [2010/2011 Kingdom Ministry School]

  by pirata in

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  2. beliefs

  transcript for the talk "trust the faithful and discreet slave" talk given at the kingdom ministry schools:.

  trust the faithful and discreet slave.

  have we ever had to meet up with somebody with whom we've not seen before?

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  DeathSentry

  "Thus the Bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization, not to individuals, regardless of how sincerely thay may believe that they can interpret the Bible. For this reason the Bible cannot be properly understood without Jehovah's visible organization in mind."

  I guess I am surprised that they would even print this. Perhaps I shouldn't be. I know when I asked someone about the reinterpretation of generations and how I didn't understand it, they told me to just wait on the GB, that they will better explain it. I still attended off and on until recently when in the WT, there too they kept focusing on the FDS and how we need to be obedient. So then I would attend but only for the public talk and walk about before the Watchtower began; thats sort of the state I'm in now.

  I do understand that even in other religions, they need a certain level of uniformity of belief, but some of this is a bit too much.
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  Hot, Cold or Both about religion?

  by mythreesons in

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  let me start by saying my wife and i are out, just not officially.

  we have not been going to the meetings for over a year.

  my wife and i had decided to check out other churches...i guess we had been feeling a need to do so.

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  I find its a real challenge; like I was angry at God for quite awhile in that why would he allow myself, my parents, siblings to join an organization when we were sincerely and earnestly seeking Him? My parents and a brother are still in, one of my brothers who was never baptized still attends but my whole family is still quite loyal to the organization. I don't bring up things with them much anymore but it was the overlapping generations piece that killed it for me.

  So I don't feel that I've been scarred in any way, in fact, in some ways I'm thankful in that while it wasn't infallible, it did help me discern other aspects of religion. Like I don't watch Olsteen or Jakes or any of the other large money makers because all they talk about is prosperity with themselves becoming very prosperous by the donations coming in. Nothing wrong in being comfortable in this life but there needs to be a balance in accord with the bible. So right now, pretty much lukewarm on religion.. I too grew up always fascinated by the new age stuff and I look at things on Youtube, but even there, underlying many of them, is that there is no God or that 'we" are gods; eternal souls with no beginning and as such, no need of a creater (got into some debates with some on youtube about that).

  So at this point, every now and then I listen to Charles Stanley but then he also gets into politics and a focus just on america so then I tune him out as well. There is the Reformed Church of Christ who seem to borrow a lot of the same beliefs as the witnesses (the good beliefs I'll say), but they also focus just on the "English Speaking Nations of the World". I sent them a number of emails about that and how could they exclude the rest of the world.

  So to me its exhausting and I've given up on trying to find another religion. I feel a void but really not sure what to do about it. I do like the post about the universalist church though, I too felt like Witnesses were taught not to worry about these social justice things, the kingdom will take care of it. Well, the kingdom isn't here so....

  I remember bringing up something to a brother one time. A guest speaker came in after having been a missionary in Africa and I remember him constantly referring to going to "deepest darkest africa"; almost a throw-back to some racist terms of early explorers. I saw some of my african american brothers and sisters look a bit uncomfortable during the talk and I eventually walked out thinking could he not be more insensitive with so many in the audience? So the universalist church and the bahai are two that eventually I may look into.
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  Suicide article from JW website

  by moomanchu in

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  from the watchtower website:.

  mary suffered from clinical depression as well as some other health problems.. however, she was not isolated from her family, nor did she abuse alcohol or drugs.

  mary's case well illustrates the point that not all risk factors need to be present for a serious suicide attempt to take place.. .

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  DeathSentry

  doesn't sound like the JWs had anything to do with it. clinical depression can come from many sources; but the correlation is not in your email.
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  Can anyone come up with a morally acceptable reason for waiting thousands of years to end wickedness?

  by gubberningbody in

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  i can't.. some bar-bet between jehovah and satan balanced against all the evil allowed just doesn't wash..

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  DeathSentry

  You people are hilarious!!! Have to admit, as I approach 50, though was in expectation since I was 16 that I might not be in this system past 30, all sorts of doubts and concerns have arisen in my mind. I have friends dying now, from cancer, heart attacks, etc.. so this whole anticipation (love the pic with the birds!!) is almost a wee bit cruel.

  Not that I'm saying I'm a truly morally upright person that would just waltz into the new system but when I see my parents in their late 70s, who also were told it would be imminent, my heart breaks each time though they still ardently believe in the "new system". I do understand the challenge Satan proposed to Jehovah and the 1000 years as one day comparison, however, would be nice if like at least some sign were given that people are on the right track and God really is feeling what they are feeling day to day (e.g. shadow going back up the steps when Hezekiah asked for 15 more years of life).

  Seems like we are sort of on our own and will die eventually in ignorance not knowing what really was "The Way" or what will come after us or our disposition at death until we actually experience it though we can't let our friends/family know what we've foudn after death, if anything at all.
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  Watching them FADE in an other way

  by Darth plaugeis in

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  my father was a cop for 30+yrs.

  he was a tuff and ruff cop.

  his sence of humor was awsome.

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  Was he one of those racist abusive cops or one who really worked with and respected the community?
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  Armageddon -- Are we there yet?

  by FatFreek 2005 in

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  sometimes a child (dennis the menace) can ask embarassing questions in the presence of an adult who doesn't have a clue (the infamous pointy-haired boss).. len.

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  DeathSentry

  Sadly while at the district convention (which I have not attended yet but talked to someone who did) they explained the change to generations again, effectively pushing it out further, they also conversely pushed for greater obedience and admonition that the end was soon. Its only very recently where I've just stepped away from it all as the conflicting viewpoints was sort of the last straw for me.

  Now I know others who have changed their dates as well (harold camping - family radio, tim lehaye - left behind series of books, etc) and so I know its a difficult scripture to discern. But constantly harping on it sets false expectations, and as one earlier posted stated, makes them lose credibility.
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  YOU TUBE My Jehovah's Witness Story: Raped By a Circuit Overseer

  by Lady Lee in

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  2. child-abuse

  interesting story.

  this fellow needs encouragement to go to the police.

  the co was later promoted to do .

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  DeathSentry

  While I understand the prevailng perspectives on this subject, my father is an elder and he definitely would have brought it up to through the organization and if nothing was done, he would have taken it to the police. He takes a much more realistic view of the society acknowleding that as a man-made instituation its open to flaws like any other.

  I feel so bad for this victim and any others out there from any religion/organization (e.g. boy scouts), etc. I knew of one molester who would only date women with preteen daughters and he'd always arrange to rape them while the mother was away and "clean-up" any evidence as well as threaten the girls. Thank goodness he got caught on another criminal offense and is doing time now, I sure hope his fellow inmates wreak some revenge on him, child molestation is one of the most despicable acts anyone can ever due and should require, IMHO, a minimum of 20 years in prison/life