Posts by JAVA

33

Why do elders come unnanounced.......

by ISP in

jw
friends

yeah, like these guys never make appointments.

just stroll up when it suits them and not you.

is it ignorance or simply a matter of discourtesy?

JAVA

I was an elder for several years, and don't remember popping in on folks unannounced except on two occasions. The two exceptions were offering condolences on a death in the family. Elders are like others in the congregation; some are considerate, some lazy, some disorganized, and others on ego trips.

Congregations develop their own personalities, too. Giving talks at various congregations opened my eyes to this phenomenon. Some congregations treated me as a welcome guest, and at the other extreme I was treated as a spy seeking dirt on the elders.

Most of us remember elders who were royal pains, but chances are we knew a few good ones, too. To answer the question of "why do elders" do what they do, it depends on the person(s) mostly, not necessarily the group in general. I agree with several of the suggestions already made; if elders call unannounced, it demonstrates a lack of courtesy at best. If the unannounced call turns into a committee meeting, it's open deceit!

--JAVA

counting time at the Coffee Shop

Prison Policy Stands in NY

by JAVA in

jw
friends

senior prison chaplain ronald bupp, who acknowledges he took out newspaper ads encouraging people to leave the jehovah's witness faith about 15 years ago, said his opposition to a bible study at the prison is based on an insufficient number of interested inmates, lack of space and fears that the teachings of the jehovah's witnesses could be "disruptive.".

found at http://63.147.65.16/s-asp-bin/reformatsqlindex.asp?puid=2752&spuid=2752&indx=968733&article=on&id=67660840&ro=0.

does anyone know if ronald bupp is a former jw?.

JAVA

Senior Prison Chaplain Ronald Bupp, who acknowledges he took out newspaper ads encouraging people to leave the Jehovah's Witness faith about 15 years ago, said his opposition to a Bible study at the prison is based on an insufficient number of interested inmates, lack of space and fears that the teachings of the Jehovah's Witnesses could be "disruptive."

Found at http://63.147.65.16/S-ASP-Bin/ReformatSQLIndex.ASP?puid=2752&spuid=2752&Indx=968733&Article=ON&id=67660840&ro=0

Does anyone know if Ronald Bupp is a former JW?

--JAVA

counting time at the Coffee Shop

14

JW Coloring Book for Kids

by JAVA in

jw
friends

here it is folks, a jw coloring book for kids.

your kids can color cain killing abel, too:.

as found at http://www.geocities.com/heartland/prairie/8773/cb7.html.

JAVA

Princess & others,

Sorry, I should have warned about JW so-called Melodies that plays when viewing the above site. That needs addressed as a public service to this group.

Please turn your computer speakers OFF before going to:http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/8773/cb7.html This site plays JW "Melodies" that could cause projectile vomiting!

--JAVA

counting time at the Coffee Shop

7

Goodbye everyone......

by chipster in

jw
friends

just a note to all of you...i have been following this board for the past several weeks, and indeed it has been a most interesting experience.. i guess when i first came here, i had hopes that this might be a place for support and that maybe i would find some people that were indeed spiritual and were in fact trying to find a way of establishing a relationship with jehovah apart from being part of an organization( yes, take a look at the url for this site)..but, dissapointingly, what i have found is a lot of bitterness, complainiing, ugly name calling, labeling, and even outright hatred towards individuals and an organization that most were once part of....it seems that many are stuck in a very negative place, caught up in the role of "victim" and they are full of regret for wasting so much of their life 'in the truth'.... i guess the reality hit me the other day with a post that clearly stated that there really is no common denominator here other that this is a bunch of ex-jws...this is not necessarily spiritual fellowship..nor does it pretend to be.... know what guys??

?i wish you all the very best in your individual journey.....but i have come to the realization that this board really offers nothing to me..... i'm leaving today on an 11 day journey into the wilderness to take some time for meditation, introspective thinking...and yes...some journaling...and yes..even some praying..... i don't think i'll be back here.. hasta la vista, baby!

chip

JAVA

Chip,

I wish you well on whatever you're seeking. I believe you'll find like-minded people on this forum, but the forum is what we make it. Some threads have topics that bring out the best or worst in people. If I get tired of name calling or don't like the thread, I switch to another. Sometimes I feel like jumping in and having a cyber romp, and other times not. However, your parting post seems more like a parting shot than a farewell. We're not all like you nor on your journey, and the same can be said for each member of the forum. There are a variety of topics and people here; they come in many colors, shapes, and sizes. This is not a Kingdom Hall where we are forced on a narrow path set by control freaks.

--JAVA

counting time at the Coffee Shop

18

Summer JW Assembly Drama Picture

by JAVA in

jw
friends

for all who took real vacations or saved money for college tuition instead of attending this year's summer assemblies, i'm providing a public service.

here is what you missed in order to make it into the new system of things:.

--javacounting time at the coffee shop

JAVA

Caption for photo:

I knocked on the door at Beth Sarim in 1925
but d'Judge was in bed with his housekeeper
and a bottle of whiskey. He opened the window
and yelled, "it's 1975 stupid; and oh yeah,
lose the beard!"

--JAVA

counting time at the Coffee Shop

2

A TRUE BELIEVER

by Norm in

jw
friends

what happens if someone actually takes the bible serious?

really acts upon its message?

history have provided us with many examples of this and the watchtower societies second president personally had one particularly spectacular go at it.. the watchtower society second president j. f. rutherford was in a hurry to get the new system going while he was still alive.

JAVA

Norm,

Excellent post. I knew a woman who was a child when Booze Rutherford released Children at an assembly. All of the kids attending were invited to sit in the front near the stage as Rutherford released the book, and each kid received a copy. She fondly remembered getting her own book even though she couldn't read, but it was special because of the name, Children. It's a shame she didn't know it was a book that promoted selling for the Tower over having children. Of interest, this same Witness never had children because the end was so near. She's a childless old woman today still waiting.

--JAVA

counting time at the Coffee Shop

18

Summer JW Assembly Drama Picture

by JAVA in

jw
friends

for all who took real vacations or saved money for college tuition instead of attending this year's summer assemblies, i'm providing a public service.

here is what you missed in order to make it into the new system of things:.

--javacounting time at the coffee shop

JAVA

You guys are cracking me up with your comments. Booze Rutherford did everything he could to get rid of the bearded-Russell look when he bamboozled his way into the presidency. It didn't take long before brothers learned to shave and drink in order to please the new pope. That Rutherford legacy remains to this day, except for the summer dramas.

I was one of the stooges in the Ruth drama at the Cincinnati, Ohio assembly (around 1969, '70 or '71). I can't tell you the number of hours involved in rehearsals and expense (yeah, we paid for the costume, not the Tower) for the Watchtower's dog and pony show. One male suggested he could grow a beard for the part, but that was shot down because it might stumble new ones at his Kingdom Hall. It's hard to believe we were that stupid, isn't it?

--JAVA

counting time at the Coffee Shop

18

Summer JW Assembly Drama Picture

by JAVA in

jw
friends

for all who took real vacations or saved money for college tuition instead of attending this year's summer assemblies, i'm providing a public service.

here is what you missed in order to make it into the new system of things:.

--javacounting time at the coffee shop

JAVA

For all who took real vacations or saved money for college tuition instead of attending this year's summer assemblies, I'm providing a public service. Here is what you missed in order to make it into the New System of Things:

--JAVA

counting time at the Coffee Shop

200

How Many States / Countrys Are Represented Here?

by Big Jim in

jw
friends

i am from houston texas myself.

JAVA

Hey DocBob,

GREAT seeing you here! When you pass through Dayton, Ohio again lets get together for another round of dark beer at the Salty Dog.

--JAVA

counting time at the Coffee Shop

14

JW Coloring Book for Kids

by JAVA in

jw
friends

here it is folks, a jw coloring book for kids.

your kids can color cain killing abel, too:.

as found at http://www.geocities.com/heartland/prairie/8773/cb7.html.

JAVA

Muzicman & Ven,

I couldn't agree more with your assessements. The Witnesses go nuts if their kids watch the Smurfs, but see nothing wrong with kids coloring a murder scene. We shouldn't be too surprised if the parents pray for the day when God murders billions not selling The Watchtower.

--JAVA

counting time at the Coffee Shop