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  Im a freak

  by WildTurkey in

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  im a freak, are you?.

  http://www.outofservice.com/freak/

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  Need to be unique: 81%
  Need to NOT comform: 70 %
  Willingness to express dissent: 84%
  Overall: 78%
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  A Cautionary Tale For Newbie Ex's.

  by Englishman in

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  one of the best parts of leaving the jw religion is the discovery that the majority of people worldly people are kind and decent folk, who are willing to be helpful if given the opportunity to do so.. but!

  exiting dubs who have been born into the faith are definitely going to be somewhat naive in certain situations that can leave them open to abuse by cunning perpetrators.. i well remember my first couple of years out of dubdom.

  i wanted to try anything and everything.

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  Englishman -- that's an interesting post-JW story; thanks for the new thread!

  You're right, some former JWs are a little naive, and others adjust without much effort. Unless a person is stalled (i.e., no longer associates, but still believes it) it's healthy to move into a normal social setting as soon as possible. Many wonder how to do that after spending a lifetime as a Witness. I guess there is no right or wrong way for reentry into the real world, but the important thing is to do it in a way that feels comfortable. Like you, some want to try everything they missed out on as JWs, others take a cautious approach. There are all sorts of people and groups; the question is, "What do you want to be when you grow up?"
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  About Dan Sydlik...

  by Patriot in

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  i was talking to one of my brother-in-laws about his time in bethel.

  he put in about 5 years.. anyway, i mentioned the post about lyman calling the new black brother "nigger", and he also said that it did not surprise him.. but what i found even funnier was the experience he had with dan.

  dan sydlik had been staying at the bossert hotel while his apartment was getting renovated.

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  MavMan said:
  

  Dan is funny that way. I doubt it was a hard punch. But of course you can believe anything you want...

  Lets see, it's "funny" when someone gets punched, and you "doubt" if was a hard punch even though you were not there, followed up with "you can believe anything you want." I can always spot a JW; blinders on, ready to defend the indefensible, believes anything the Tower tells them to believe, but accuses others of believing "anything." Thanks MavMan--you've removed all doubt!
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  Before The Flood

  by badboy in

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  the title of an interesting book by ian wilson about the idea that the legend of noah's flood originated from a cataspastric(sic) flooding in pre-recorded times circa 5600 bc when water from meditterean burst through to flood what is now the black sea.. (my bookclub sent me two copies of each book,possibly the result of an administrive error,the other being earthly remains, i did think, should i tip the two extra books into the kh carpark!

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  interestly it mentions the institue for creation research who the wt quotes from in their evolution/creation book who claim that john morris saw the ark on ararat,(their is a ark shaped structure on a nearby mountain but it is a geological structure that has `slipped'.. the wood that has been found on ararat probably comes from a byzantine hermitage,it has been dated to c. ad400.. lets hope the wt publishes yet more bullshit!

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  Interestly it mentions the Institue for Creation Research who the WT quotes from in their Evolution/Creation book who claim that John Morris saw the Ark on Ararat,(Their is a Ark shaped structure on a nearby mountain but it is a geological structure that has `slipped'.

  When groups like the Institute for Creation Research seek so-called proof to support their religious myth, it's little wonder organizations like the Watchtower quote them to support their myth. This type of circular support keeps the faithful busy watching the hound chase its tail, while the rabbit eats the carrots. If one seeks verifiable evidence about something like the Ark story, empirical observation must be used to report. That's something the Watchtower and groups like the Institute of Creation Research fail to do. As a result, they quote unscholarly reports to support myths. The faithful believe because they want to believe, but whatever you do, don't confuse them with empirical facts! Thanks for the report, badboy.
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  Meet my Lil Man:)

  by mommy in

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  hey all.

  i just got home from the hospital earlier this evening, but i wanted to post a few pics of my lil man for you.

  i can't believe he is finally here!

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  Wendy -- Thanks for sharing, and CONGRATULATIONS !!! I'm raising a cup of Java to you.
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  New Smurf Drawing

  by Valis in

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  ok...i have new smurfs that are looking for good apostate homes.

  the first smurf to go will be anonymous smurf, as i can't tell which one he is.

  i'll keep the rules nice and simple:.

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  Elsewhere,

  I see them at garage sales and flea markets. Paid $5.00 for the one I have, and it looks just like the one Valis posted.

  I bought my daughter a Papa Smurf doll several years ago when she was child. She loved it, but while on a business trip, my JW wife (ex-wife) burned it up because she heard a noise in the house one night! My daughter is now 25-years old, and is still ticked at her mom for being so stupid. I've never found a Papa Smurf doll again, but if I do, I'll buy it for her.
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  Careers after the Truth

  by Demitrius in

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  i assume that there are people out there who feel the same way as me.

  such as when they were growing up in the 'truth', did they forego career/college/university because the new system was just around the corner?.

  now i look back and regret the waste.

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  Welcome to the forum Demitrius!

  Yes, I'm sure many former JWs wish they didn't forego some building blocks that could have helped them earn a living wage or gain personal insight. However, I've seen many move on nicely with and without a college background.

  Obviously, it's easier getting a college degree when one is right out of high school with fewer responsibilities. Many of us missed that window of opportunity because of our JW mind set, and pressure to enter the Watchtower's fulltime sales force. I started college when I was around 40, but it would have been better if I had a 20-year headstart. Many on this forum have done very well without college, but I'm sure most of us would be better off today (at least financially) if we had not wasted many years enriching the Watchtower.
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  New Smurf Drawing

  by Valis in

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  ok...i have new smurfs that are looking for good apostate homes.

  the first smurf to go will be anonymous smurf, as i can't tell which one he is.

  i'll keep the rules nice and simple:.

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  Great thread Valis! I also appreciate the suggested PayPal contribution from the winner to support this forum--that's very thoughtful. I'm not going to pick a number because I'm the proud owner of a Smurf. I picked it up at a garage sale, and have it sitting by the front door awaiting the next JW sales call.
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  disfellowshipping and suicide

  by LyinEyes in

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  my mother had been a faithful witness for 16 yrs, she got addicted to prescription drugs and things got very bad for her.

  she overdosed one nite and was put in rehab.

  she began smoking after rehab and was disfellowhipped for it, she got a letter in the mail .

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  Topics like this can go on forever because Watchtower induced tragedies are endless. A woman in our KH killed herself after being disfellowshipped. She pioneered off and on for many years, but suffered from depression. A few months before the suicide her son was involved in an auto accident. A young JW passenger (his girlfriend) was killed when they were hit by a drunk driver. I think her son's accident pushed her into deeper depression, and she started smoking. The Watchtower and elders were nowhere to be found when she needed help, but as soon as she lit a cigarette, they were only too willing to help by shunning her.

  She started the car in a closed garage, had the windows down, and a Watchtower green Bible was found beside her. I'm sure we could fill a book with tragedies helped along by life in the Watchtower fairy tale. Without thinking about it very long, I know 3 others that committed suicide while under the Tower's spell. They were all part of "God's happy people."
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  Newsweek--Spiritual Influence article

  by JAVA in

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  some might be following the andrea yates trial (the mother who drowned her 5 children).

  the march 18, 2002 issue of newsweek, has an article on page 8, entitled "examining a spiritual leader's influence," that's about the yates trial.

  i'll list some quotes from this article:.

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  DB wrote:
  

  Such remarks are not only callous, but they betray a type of mindset that, if stretched perhaps, could justify, in the mind of a person who has some mental/emotional problems, acting in such a way as Andrea Yates did. I know of no actual cases where this has occurred though.

  Does anyone remember the man in Atlanta, Georgia who studied with the JWs, and killed his spouse and children (1 or 2 children, I forget now)? He ended up killing some folks at a stock-trading firm before taking his own life. I remember reading his suicide note and it talked about Jehovah, and the new system, etc. That is an actual case where someone studied with the Witnesses, things were going bad for them financially, etc., and they "saved" loved ones by killing them so they could have a better life in the new system of things.

  I remember reading follow up interviews from the elders of the Kingdom Hall he attended. Like the preacher Yates listened too, the elders did everything they could to distance themselves from him when the media showed up at their door.