Oh god, it looks like I have a Bible thumper here. You didn't answer my question, Geoff. Do you know the history of Ed Dunlap? If I get bored latter on I'll play scriptural gymnastics with you, but why waste a good weekend doing that? So the question remains; do you know the history of Ed Dunlap?
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by Geoff ini thought one of the points made by this edward dunlap ( http://www.consolidatedcap.com/media/dunlap.html).
character was particularly interesting.
he said that he believed that pual in the christian times believed that "faith alone was enough to garantee that you where saved.
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Edward Dunlap recording
by Geoff ini thought one of the points made by this edward dunlap ( http://www.consolidatedcap.com/media/dunlap.html).
character was particularly interesting.
he said that he believed that pual in the christian times believed that "faith alone was enough to garantee that you where saved.
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Geoff,
So this Dunlap guy was basicaly saying that somewhere down the road in his dealings with the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society he felt that he didnt have to make his faith assured by works but was instead already saved becuase "he was a good person in his heart." BLAH!!
Do you have any idea what "this Dunlap guy" did while in the Tower? Ed Dunlap had more honesty in his little finger than all members of the Governing Body put together.
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Reading Obituaries
by Norm inin a norwegian local newspaper, a reader is being quite pissed off because some jehovah's witnesses accidentally showed up at her door just after her husband died.. apparently she is aware of such coincidences occurring before in the district to the extent that she dont think it is a coincidence at all.
of course the local jehovah's witness spokesman denies any such organized effort on the part of jehovah's witnesses.
they do not read obituaries to collect names, he claims.. so what do you have to say folks?
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Norm,
If the Tower's leadership didn't lie, I don't think they would have much to say. The idea that the Tower offers help and concern to people grieving lost loved ones is nothing more than another Watchtower lie. As I stated on another thread on this forum:
On the topic of death and grieving, I think the Tower does a disservice to JWs. Witnesses are discouraged from showing genuine grief because it supposably means they don't fully believe the resurrection concept. What a crock! On top of that, the Tower keeps followers in a constant stage of Oz with their "living forever" baloney no JW (or anyone else) will ever experience. Adding insult to injury, the JW funeral is nothing more than a poorly done info-mercial for the Watchtower. The normal grieving process is denied to the sales force of a publishing firm--now that's crazy!
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I hate death!
by Undecided ini just recieved an email about the death of one of my friends that i sail my r/c boat with.
that is the fifth one of my sailing friends that have died in the last 5 years.
in the last 4 years my wife's mother and father died, her brother-in-law, nephew, my aunt, my son's close friend, his wife's grandad, and it goes on and on.
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Ken & Red,
I'm genuinely sorry about your losses. Death of loved ones is always difficult. Dealing with the void of absent loved ones accents the emptiness we experience of knowing they're gone, but still feeling like they'll walk through the door at anytime. It's a surreal curtain to go through until sufficient time passes. I know it sounds a little crazy, but I find comfort talking out loud to departed loved ones (when the living are not around ). I don't believe they can really hear me, but it helps keep their memory alive--thus they continue sharing my life. As an agnostic, that brings comfort to me.
On the topic of death and grieving, I think the Tower does a disservice to JWs. Witnesses are discouraged from showing genuine grief because it supposably means they don't fully believe the resurrection concept. What a crock! On top of that, the Tower keeps followers in a constant stage of Oz with their "living forever" baloney no JW (or anyone else) will ever experience. Adding insult to injury, the JW funeral is nothing more than a poorly done info-mercial for the Watchtower. The normal grieving process is denied to the sales force of a publishing firm--now that's crazy!
Again, Ken & Red, I'm sorry for your losses. From the looks of this forum, you have many friends who care.
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I agree, LW: Women Should Know Their Proper Place!
by JanH inlike lonewolf, i am much dismayed at the haughty nature of many women on this site.
what is this world coming to, when women dont know their correct position in subjection to men?.
thankfully, gods channel of communication to mankind (tm, patent pending) have always been aware of the matter and addresses the respective positions of men and women.
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Brother larc,
I would be happy to attend the district assembly with you this summer. I'll need more than coffee in order to refresh my soul. We can start off with some dark beer, and 15 minutes into the program I'll break out the whiskey. I'm not sure how we'll keep the JWs away from our stash; perhaps the beards will keep them away.
JT,
I wonder if the sister with a Ph.D. is still a Witness? Somehow, Ph.D and JW seems like an oxymoron.
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Tipping Your Hat to a Woman is SATANIC
by JanH in*** w52 4/15 254-5 questions from readers ***.
"* is it proper for men to tip their hats to women?g.
s., missouri.
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After giving this serious thought, I think women should always wear bonnets as a sign they are weaker and need male headship. The Society just sent me an example of approved head coverings for sisters (note also the pie she has prepared for her man):
On the other hand, men are stronger and don't require hats that can be tipped. The only acceptable headgear for men are antlers or horns taken from the beast a brave warrior took from a dangerous animal slew with bare hands. You can see I'm wearing a modest example.
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I agree, LW: Women Should Know Their Proper Place!
by JanH inlike lonewolf, i am much dismayed at the haughty nature of many women on this site.
what is this world coming to, when women dont know their correct position in subjection to men?.
thankfully, gods channel of communication to mankind (tm, patent pending) have always been aware of the matter and addresses the respective positions of men and women.
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Hi Jan,
I knew there was something that attracted me to the
cultI mean the Christian Witnesses of Jehovah! Jan, thank you for sharing these spiritual truths from the Faithful Slave. After much reflection and prayer, I think sisters in our cyber group should show proper respect to the God-ordained-male headship by wearing head coverings when posting to this forum. I have a modest example picked out for RedhourseWoman below:--JAVA
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Did Chuck Russell commit perjury?
by Tallyman ina reeel greek scholar
yep.
chuck russell surely knew .
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Stephanus is right, but I love the photo!
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In what order were the NT books written?
by GinnyTosken in"jude," she [sue bridehead] said brightly, when he had finished and come back to her; "will you let me make you a new new testament, like the one i made for myself at christminster?".
how was that made?".
"i altered my old one by cutting up all the epistles and gospels into separate brochures, and rearranging them in chronological order as written, beginning the book with thessalonians, following on with the epistles, and putting the gospels much further on.
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Ginny,
I found the section above particularly interesting because a year or so ago Jason BeDuhn, then an assistant professor at Indiana University, was quoted in one of the WTS publications in praise of the Kingdom Interlinear Translation (KIT).
Did you know BeDuhn? I called and e-mailed the Department of Religious Studies at IU. They said he just finished his doctoral work at IU, taught a few classes, but not employed beyond that. As you know, many graduate students (TAs) are used to teach lower level classes, and some graduates are used as adjuncts. They are not usually called assistant professors, and IU didn't list him as such when I checked a year or so ago.
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Atheists/Agnostics/Prayer
by patio34 inon the subject of prayer: this is addressed to the more atheistic or agnostic ones amongst us.. now, all those years i prayed really hard when times were tough, and then things worked out.
i now believe it was my own hard work that gave the solutions.
prayer was helpful in that i felt i had help.
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Patio,
Prayer was helpful in that I felt I had help. But looking back, it was me that did it.
I think prayers seeking favor, permission, forgiving, etc., helps people who don't realize their full potential. Religion has a history of keeping people on their knees, and in need of the higher power of the church, and then to God. When that barrier is crossed, we can become moral, forgiving, etc., for reasons other than a higher power frying people in hell because they didn't kiss up to the church.
Okay, joke time; Epitaph on atheist tombstone reads:
Here lays JAVA
All dressed up
And nowhere to go--JAVA
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