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  Edward Dunlap recording

  by Geoff in

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  i thought one of the points made by this edward dunlap ( http://www.consolidatedcap.com/media/dunlap.html).

  character was particularly interesting.

  he said that he believed that pual in the christian times believed that "faith alone was enough to garantee that you where saved.

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  Skimmer,

  Your information about Dunlap is excellent. I didn't see yours until I posted. Next time I'll wait before struggling with the keyboard.

  --JAVA

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  Edward Dunlap recording

  by Geoff in

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  i thought one of the points made by this edward dunlap ( http://www.consolidatedcap.com/media/dunlap.html).

  character was particularly interesting.

  he said that he believed that pual in the christian times believed that "faith alone was enough to garantee that you where saved.

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  hippikon,

  Ed Dunlap was the registrar of Gilead, and respected by many Witnesses. In the mid to late 1970s, Dunlap and others (e.g., Raymond Franz) started quietly questioning some of the Tower's teachings (e.g., 1914). After Franz was forced out of Bethel, the GB turned on many faithful workers, Dunlap was one of them. Of interest, Dunlap and R. Franz wrote extensively for the Society during their years at Bethel. Raymond Franz, and Ed Dunlap wrote the major portion of Aid to Bible Understanding. As a result of their research, the organizational makeup was changed because it didn't follow the example of the early church.

  For more information about Dunlap, see Apocalypse Delayed, by James Penton, and Crisis of Conscience, by Raymond Franz. Franz writes at length about this time period on pages 223-88. Ed Dunlap died a year or so ago. Like Franz, Ed Dunlap was an honorable person who gave up a prestigious life in the Society because he questioned doctrines that made little sense.

  PS: I just corrected my misspelling of James Penton. For whatever reason I keep adding the letter i to his last name.

  --JAVA

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  Edward Dunlap recording

  by Geoff in

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  2. friends

  i thought one of the points made by this edward dunlap ( http://www.consolidatedcap.com/media/dunlap.html).

  character was particularly interesting.

  he said that he believed that pual in the christian times believed that "faith alone was enough to garantee that you where saved.

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  Oh god, it looks like I have a Bible thumper here. You didn't answer my question, Geoff. Do you know the history of Ed Dunlap? If I get bored latter on I'll play scriptural gymnastics with you, but why waste a good weekend doing that? So the question remains; do you know the history of Ed Dunlap?

  --JAVA

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  Edward Dunlap recording

  by Geoff in

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  i thought one of the points made by this edward dunlap ( http://www.consolidatedcap.com/media/dunlap.html).

  character was particularly interesting.

  he said that he believed that pual in the christian times believed that "faith alone was enough to garantee that you where saved.

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  Geoff,

  So this Dunlap guy was basicaly saying that somewhere down the road in his dealings with the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society he felt that he didnt have to make his faith assured by works but was instead already saved becuase "he was a good person in his heart." BLAH!!

  Do you have any idea what "this Dunlap guy" did while in the Tower? Ed Dunlap had more honesty in his little finger than all members of the Governing Body put together.

  --JAVA

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  Reading Obituaries

  by Norm in

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  in a norwegian local newspaper, a reader is being quite pissed off because some jehovah's witnesses accidentally showed up at her door just after her husband died.. apparently she is aware of such coincidences occurring before in the district to the extent that she dont think it is a coincidence at all.

  of course the local jehovah's witness spokesman denies any such organized effort on the part of jehovah's witnesses.

  they do not read obituaries to collect names, he claims.. so what do you have to say folks?

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  Norm,

  If the Tower's leadership didn't lie, I don't think they would have much to say. The idea that the Tower offers help and concern to people grieving lost loved ones is nothing more than another Watchtower lie. As I stated on another thread on this forum:
  

  On the topic of death and grieving, I think the Tower does a disservice to JWs. Witnesses are discouraged from showing genuine grief because it supposably means they don't fully believe the resurrection concept. What a crock! On top of that, the Tower keeps followers in a constant stage of Oz with their "living forever" baloney no JW (or anyone else) will ever experience. Adding insult to injury, the JW funeral is nothing more than a poorly done info-mercial for the Watchtower. The normal grieving process is denied to the sales force of a publishing firm--now that's crazy!

  --JAVA

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  I hate death!

  by Undecided in

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  i just recieved an email about the death of one of my friends that i sail my r/c boat with.

  that is the fifth one of my sailing friends that have died in the last 5 years.

  in the last 4 years my wife's mother and father died, her brother-in-law, nephew, my aunt, my son's close friend, his wife's grandad, and it goes on and on.

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  Ken & Red,

  I'm genuinely sorry about your losses. Death of loved ones is always difficult. Dealing with the void of absent loved ones accents the emptiness we experience of knowing they're gone, but still feeling like they'll walk through the door at anytime. It's a surreal curtain to go through until sufficient time passes. I know it sounds a little crazy, but I find comfort talking out loud to departed loved ones (when the living are not around ). I don't believe they can really hear me, but it helps keep their memory alive--thus they continue sharing my life. As an agnostic, that brings comfort to me.

  On the topic of death and grieving, I think the Tower does a disservice to JWs. Witnesses are discouraged from showing genuine grief because it supposably means they don't fully believe the resurrection concept. What a crock! On top of that, the Tower keeps followers in a constant stage of Oz with their "living forever" baloney no JW (or anyone else) will ever experience. Adding insult to injury, the JW funeral is nothing more than a poorly done info-mercial for the Watchtower. The normal grieving process is denied to the sales force of a publishing firm--now that's crazy!

  Again, Ken & Red, I'm sorry for your losses. From the looks of this forum, you have many friends who care.

  --JAVA

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  I agree, LW: Women Should Know Their Proper Place!

  by JanH in

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  like lonewolf, i am much dismayed at the haughty nature of many women on this site.

  what is this world coming to, when women dont know their correct position in subjection to men?.

  thankfully, gods channel of communication to mankind (tm, patent pending) have always been aware of the matter and addresses the respective positions of men and women.

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  Brother larc,

  I would be happy to attend the district assembly with you this summer. I'll need more than coffee in order to refresh my soul. We can start off with some dark beer, and 15 minutes into the program I'll break out the whiskey. I'm not sure how we'll keep the JWs away from our stash; perhaps the beards will keep them away.
  

  JT,

  I wonder if the sister with a Ph.D. is still a Witness? Somehow, Ph.D and JW seems like an oxymoron.

  --JAVA

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  Tipping Your Hat to a Woman is SATANIC

  by JanH in

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  *** w52 4/15 254-5 questions from readers ***.

  "* is it proper for men to tip their hats to women?g.

  s., missouri.

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  After giving this serious thought, I think women should always wear bonnets as a sign they are weaker and need male headship. The Society just sent me an example of approved head coverings for sisters (note also the pie she has prepared for her man):
  

  On the other hand, men are stronger and don't require hats that can be tipped. The only acceptable headgear for men are antlers or horns taken from the beast a brave warrior took from a dangerous animal slew with bare hands. You can see I'm wearing a modest example.

  --JAVA

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  I agree, LW: Women Should Know Their Proper Place!

  by JanH in

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  like lonewolf, i am much dismayed at the haughty nature of many women on this site.

  what is this world coming to, when women dont know their correct position in subjection to men?.

  thankfully, gods channel of communication to mankind (tm, patent pending) have always been aware of the matter and addresses the respective positions of men and women.

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  Hi Jan,

  I knew there was something that attracted me to the cult I mean the Christian Witnesses of Jehovah! Jan, thank you for sharing these spiritual truths from the Faithful Slave. After much reflection and prayer, I think sisters in our cyber group should show proper respect to the God-ordained-male headship by wearing head coverings when posting to this forum. I have a modest example picked out for RedhourseWoman below:
  

  --JAVA

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  Did Chuck Russell commit perjury?

  by Tallyman in

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  a reeel greek scholar

  yep.

  chuck russell surely knew .

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  JAVA

  Stephanus is right, but I love the photo!

  --JAVA

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