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  doesn't time fly

  by sleepy in

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  just noticed i've been registered here 3 years and 7 days, flippen 'ell , doesn't feel that long since i left.

  just finished my first year in university at the grand old age of 30. .

  nothing like a good head start in life!

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  Yeah, time has a way of moving along when one is not captive to the myth of "running ahead of the Organization." Instead of awaiting the Tower's next flip-flop, you've completed a year of college--way to go! I feel sorry for many ex-JWs who remain stalled after exiting, who don't pursue a goal of some sort. Leaving the Tower is one thing, but filling the void takes courage, too.
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  Seoul court rules against (JW) pacifists who reject draft

  by Elsewhere in

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  http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/asia/story/0,4386,261720,00.html

  july 16, 2004. seoul court rules against pacifists who reject draft.

  it says the threat from the north makes it necessary for all south koreans, regardless of religious beliefs, to do military service.

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  Since the 1940s, South Korea has imprisoned 10,000 conscientious objectors, almost all of them Jehovah's Witnesses.

  I don't think a nation is better off by jailing folks who are conscientious objectors. If a JW or Quaker or anyone else believes it is wrong to kill another, I believe a country is better served if this group performs another form of public service. Sticking people in jail is a drain to society, whereas working in a hospital or cleaning streets and neighborhoods benifits everyone.

  On the other hand, if one claims to be a conscientious objector and refuses any service, jail might be the only alternative. Any country has a right and obligation to defend itself, and most citizens are willing to do their part. However, it's sad when young people are killed and kill because of poor leadership. I don't believe there is an easy answer to this issue . . .

  Michael
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  jeez, they have a site for everything

  by RR in

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  now they have a site for fat jw's:

  jw's losing weight

  how about apostates losing weight?

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  RR -- Of course the Tower's Fat Farm is headed by a bunch of Fat Heads.

  Michael (Counting time at the Y)
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  lonliness after leaving

  by orbison11 in

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  just wondering, did any of you become hermit like after leaving.

  i see many of you are able to carry on.

  maybe with the help of non-jw family, etc.. but for me, i lost all family and i am having a hard time with acquiring friends, although i have many many aquaintances.

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  I've been out for many years, but "loneliness after leaving" the Tower is an issue for some folks. Many of the of the JW rank-n-file are not all that outgoing in the first place; add to that forced shunning of family and friends, and what do you have--"loneliness." Most spent years, and some a lifetime, looking down on non-JWs. It just takes a little time and effort reconnecting with the larger society again, but most do it if they want to.

  You'll never fully get over being shunned by close family and friends, but reaching out to others is better than allowing the Tower to sentence you to solitary confinement. Trust, or a lack thereof, seems to go with loneliness after exiting. Again, it takes time to develope relationships, but most become normal on this side of the Tower.

  Michael
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  Politics: Just the facts

  by desib77 in

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  is there anywhere i can get just the facts about current issues and where both presidential candidates stand on each?.

  it seems like everywhere i look there is someone or something trying to sway me one way or the other.

  my husband is a head strong republican while others i know are active democrats.

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  One of the best Web sites for non-partisan facts about Kerry and Bush is:

  http://www.factcheck.org/default.aspx

  Michael
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  Just got back from the YMCA

  by Atilla in

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  i went to the y last night just to relax and go swimming.

  the y near my house is pretty clean and after 8 p.m., not very crowded.

  i find it very relaxing to go work out, play basketball, go swimming and then sit in the sauna after a long shower.

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  When rational thinking kicks in after exiting the Tower, it's so easy to see how "silly" our mindless-JW actions really were. I joined the Dayton-Downtown Y a few years ago, and go every other day after work. In the process I've lost several pounds, look and feel better, and the health benifits are numerous.

  While working out, I often think about the mind-numbing hours and years spent at JW meetings in order to distrust all but the Tower. Most of us could have earned college degrees, and/or improved our health and self-esteem by attending college and carrying gym bags instead of bookbags.

  Maybe I enjoy the Y today a little more so because of my background . . .

  Michael (counting time at the Y)
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  JW's Assisted Swiss Suicide Inquest Starts

  by Englishman in

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  the inquest into the assisted suicide started yesterday in bedford, england.. this is how the story first broke in the uk's daily mirror:suicide tourists.

  apr 15 2003. .

  couple fly off to die.. but family think they are on holiday.

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  Those of us who frequent this board realize that even healthy people can become depressed from associating with JW's. Could it have been the lack of love and support in the local congregation and in their family circle that caused these folks to go off the deep end ??

  Excellent points, Bug. I personally know 3 JWs that committed suicide, and countless JWs who became very depressed as time and reality uncovered the myth.
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  So, What Do They Dump Next?

  by metatron in

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  well, they dumped food service at assemblies, us subscriptions to the watchtower, reduced hard bound book.

  distribution and downsized about a thousand bethelites ( over time).

  supposedly, dumping subscriptions brought.

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  I haven't been on this forum for some time, but enjoy reading the latest ploys used by the Tower to fleece the flock. From the posts on this thread, it seems the Dubs are no longer willing to empty their pockets and forgo vacations for long assemblies. I still remember sitting in an outdoor ball field for 8 days at one of the international assemblies. Looks like the newer Dubs are wising up a little.

  JAVA
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  Shouldn't the "Truth" be easy to find?

  by JH in

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  with so many religions, and only one bible, why is the truth so hard to find?.

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  "Those who know that they don't know, knows." I believe religion is a concept, not fact. When religion is turned into "Truth," followers fail to realize they really don't know.

  It's been months since I've visited--nice seeing some old friends, and the many new folks, too.

  Michael (counting time at the coffee shop)
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  World's smallest political quiz..

  by Aztec in

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  i found this very enlightening:.

  http://www.self-gov.org/quiz.html.

  i kind of surprised myself.

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  JAVA

  Well, it looks like this Left Liberal can't figure out how to post a link without it looking like a URL address.