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  Did you get the new tract?

  by kid-A in

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  2. experiences

  just wanted to run an informal poll to see how "effective" or hopelessly "ineffective" the borg tract assimilation drive has been.. i for one, have not received the tract, and i live in densely populated development.

  did anybody get it left in their doors/mailboxes?.

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  JAVA

  The JWs in my neighborhood sold the KH to the Seventh-Day Adventist, and I haven't seen them in the area for a few years. No new tract in this part of town. Doesn't selling a building to "false religion" help support "false religion?"
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  Any of you oldies out there remember me??????

  by BLISSISIGNORANCE in

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  2. friends

  i know it's been ages, busy living i guess.

  but i thought i'ld drop in and say hello.. i sometimes read posts and ask misspeaches what's going on.

  as i'm having the day off work today i decided to take the time to post a big 'hello ' to all my old friends on the forum, and also to the new members here.. nothing much has changed for me and my family.

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  JAVA

  Yes, I remember you -- I'm not that old! :)) Well, maybe I am but it's nice seeing folks from the past and hearing how they're doing.
  Great hearing from you.
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  Interesting response to entering "faithful and discreet slave" on WTBS site

  by wanderlustguy in

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  try it...

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  JAVA

  Very good point, blondie! That could fill volumes.
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  What nice, interesting thing did you see today?

  by Lady Lee in

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  2. friends

  so often we are stuck in the negative part of life and see so much of the bad.

  the news is full of it.

  i look for the things that are nice.

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  JAVA

  Our neighbors have a Beagle puppy, and it’s a hoot watching him play with about anything he finds in the yard. Can’t help but smile every time . . .
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  Did Noah preach the "good news"?

  by M.J. in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i've heard it a hundred times.

  "noah preached, so we preach.

  " but is that what the bible indicates?

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  JAVA

  The Noah story never made much since to me when I was a JW, and today less so. Folks didn’t have much contact with other people outside of their location. They also didn’t understand what caused floods, and other disasters, so they chalked it up as the gods must not be happy. They thought that a sweeping floor in their location must mean that the entire world was flooded, too. It’s little wonder that we see floods and fires mentioned in many religious myths from early times. The idea that Noah could have reached all of humankind to warn about the coming flood is even crazier than the Tower’s suggestion that they, and they alone, are God’s spokesman warning others about the modern-day flood called Armageddon.

  It just seems that the constant assertions by the WTS/JWs that Noah went out preaching, in the manner that JWs do today, rests on some pretty flimsy/nonexistant scriptural support.

  You're right M.J., the Tower is standing on flimsy/nonexistant support albeit from scripture or from the knowledge we have about such things today.
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  SECRET DOCUMENTS: District Convention

  by Elsewhere in

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  2. friends

  it is time for the district convention so i thought i would share a nice little tid-bit.. thanks to someone who must remain anonymous, we now have the instructions that are given to the speakers at the district conventions:.

  http://www.reexamine.info/docs/district_convention_talk_instructions.pdf (17 kb - small file).

  http://www.reexamine.info/docs/district_convention_talk_instructions.jpg (1 mb - large file, original jpg scan image).

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  JAVA

  Three of us had a talk at a district assembly several years ago, and were given the manuscript. We didn’t talk from notes; we talked from the Tower’s manuscript. One of us put in a little comment that didn’t change a thing, but got reamed out backstage for the error. I wasn’t the one who added the comments, but today wish I could do it over again.
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  What are you doing to stay healthy ??

  by Genesis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  im just wondering about what people of different are doing to stay healthy.

  personally, im into bodybuilding since a couple of months and i love it !

  im eating cleaner than ever (but not as i would like) and exercise 4 days a week.

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  JAVA

  I joined the downtown YMCA over 4 years ago and go religiously 4 or 5 times a week. I usually go in the morning before going to work. Weights and the treadmill take about an hour, followed by a shower and off to the office. I’ll be 60-years old this year, and figure I’ll live longer working out at the Y instead of sitting on my butt at the KH 5 or more hours a week.
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  Why do so many show such anger towards JW who post here? What might help?

  by Lady Lee in

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  why do so many of us show such antagonism towards jw who post here?

  we know they won't listen.

  we know how it feels to have religion forced upon us.

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  JAVA

  Most of us have had similar histories in that we were JWs, but that’s about where it stops. Folks posting can carry JW baggage, hurt, anger, hate or embrace religion, different social and economic backgrounds, etc. It’s an open market of minds and places, and all in all I think most behave fairly well. It’s true that some posters get ganged up on if they have JW filters in front of their glasses, but that’s going to happen in any group that was spiritually raped by a cult. Stuff can boil over quickly, and it’s easy to jump into the fray.
  You’re right, it might be better if that didn’t happen, but look from wince we came.
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  greetings from another newbie

  by lost_sheep in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well... i've finally worked up the courage to get an account & start posting on this site.

  i've been lurking for a couple of months now, voraciously reading all the, mmm, "delightful words of truth" i've found here.

  i'm currently deep in dubdom, so i have to be pretty ambiguous about some personal details, (i'm really paranoid, hopefully that will pass :-/) but my story in a nutshell is: i was born into this religion, baptised in my mid teens, happily married to a wonderful (& thankfully, somewhat open-minded) jw lady, & now, several years later, i'm starting to seriously question some of what i believe.

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  JAVA

  Welcome to the forum lost_sheep, and to the world of honest discussion. Since you’ve been lurking for a little while, you already know more about the Society than most lifetime JWs. It’s good to have you here, and I look forward to your thoughts on some of the many topics we kick around.
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  Repairing The Soul After A Cult

  by Lady Lee in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  repairing the soul after a cult

  the previous year i returned to the united states after having spent almost four years in exile abroad, where i lived the most serene life on an island in the mediterranean off the coast of spain.

  if someone had told me that within a year i would be deeply involved and committed to a cult, i would have laughed derisively.

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  JAVA

  No, I had not seen your paper using the term "Social Death." Thanks for listing the link.
  BTW, the paper is very well done. I hope the prof appreciated the work you put into it. I've often thought many shunned JWs go though the same steps of "Death and Dying" that's outlined in the Kubler-Ross model. Your term (i.e., Social Death) is fitting. The bright side of a Social Death within groups like the JWs is the possibility of a rebirth that's much better than the last one! :)