That was friggin hilarious!!!!
I personally feel the same way...that God has 'blessed' me in SO many ways even though I'm DF'd (according to the JWs and cong - I'm 'dead' to God)...
to show you how dumb and shallow my congregation is a one of our "deeper" sisters claimed in field services that "jehovah answers all my prayers...like last week i wanted a new skirt and shoes for field service but only had $20 dollars....and would you believe i found them!!!
now i for one though well, why didn't you pray or the oil pipe in the mexican gulf to dry up...or food for the poor in haiti.
other pioneers tell of vegetables falling off trucks just when they had nothing for dinner???
That was friggin hilarious!!!!
I personally feel the same way...that God has 'blessed' me in SO many ways even though I'm DF'd (according to the JWs and cong - I'm 'dead' to God)...
to show you how dumb and shallow my congregation is a one of our "deeper" sisters claimed in field services that "jehovah answers all my prayers...like last week i wanted a new skirt and shoes for field service but only had $20 dollars....and would you believe i found them!!!
now i for one though well, why didn't you pray or the oil pipe in the mexican gulf to dry up...or food for the poor in haiti.
other pioneers tell of vegetables falling off trucks just when they had nothing for dinner???
JWs have always and will always have 'fables' to share with each other about unexplained phenomenon...it's really pathetic if you ask me. I swear, Disney ain't got NUTHIN on a JW story! -hahahahaha
What always seemed to boggle my mind was that it was always the 'nutty' people that SWORE something paranormal happened to them and they immediately gave credit to Jehovah - which is fine. BUT I don't get why Jehovah picks-n-chooses the ones he WILL help, know what I mean? So this sister in the org post claims Jehovah got her clothes and shoes, yet he lets ANOTHER JW across the country suffer without shoes? He will give a pioneer in the backwoods veggies off a truck but won't give food to a FAMILY that is starving cause the dad lost his job and can't provide? I just don't BUY that stuff...a loving God chooses to help ALL - not just a few.
i was pretty much a loner the whole time i was in my old congregation, and it wasn't for lack of young people - there were plenty of "young ones", but because of various situations that went unchecked, rumors and just plain nastiness, i did not have any friends.. some of you might relate to this.
you feel like you don't fit in either camp - the world and the congregation - a rock in a hard place.. on the rare occasion i did get a token invite to a jw gathering, it was usually a video evening, as we called them in the uk.
since i had no social life to speak of, i would attend these rare and "exciting" events but it was always a let down.. you see, unless you have shared history with these folks, it's pretty much a non event.
I have SEEN how 'anti-social' being a JW can make a young person become!! You are BRED to be 'standoffish' - so much so that it becomes NATURAL! It's sad because that antisocial behavior cna be misconstrued by others as being snotty or stuck up, when actually it's just how you were raised to be. That attitude was supposed to ward off 'worldly folks' - hahahahaha - but it almost always backfired internally too
thank you all.. it seems that we former jw's have excellent reasons to be be upset.
between being lied to about how russell and rutherford started this fruity little cult, having to deal with the coverups of pedophiles and other criminals, the mysoginistic treatment of women, being lied to about 1914 and the related date of 607 bce, the ridiculous and ever changing blood doctrine, being lied to about gb involvement in the un, the changed it once and now back again understanding of what a "generation" is, being lied to about when the end of this system was supposed to come, being lied to about 1975, being told not to go to college and instead explore the underrated world of window washing with the outstanding income potential it produces...... *panting* i am sorry, i am out of breath...... my point is this, (and i speak from experience): former jw's are pretty raw.
and thus, easily exploitable on internet boards by trolls.. trolls see this.
Very good post!!!
having only been a witness for about 30 years i'm not really sure about the answer.
i would say 'yes' but does anyone know further.. i'm aware of the 'mediator only for the 144,00', but am i correct in saying the wts agrees, and by default all witnesses agree, that jesus died for their sins?.
He died and bore our sins for us (big difference than just balancing Adam’s sin) and by his faith we are cleansed and forgiven. All he asks is that we believe it and he promises you life. No works by any human could ever accomplish that. It is a gift. You don’t work for a gift. It is free. It is by grace.
You have NO idea how much this topic still bugs me...I was born in, so I have always been taught that Jesus died for our sins BUT that we have to work to reap the rewards OF that sacrifice he made. I often wondered: if Jesus died for our sins, and we are to be grateful to he and to Jehovah for offering up his son, WHAT are we really being thankful for???? Cause according to JW ideas, I tecnically have to EARN that sacrifice. Confuses the hell outta me...
...about why i do not want to come back (get reinstated), but i find myself defending my decision!.
i say this because an old friend of mine sent me a text late last night, asking me if i'm 'back so we can talk'?!
let me give you a lil background story, this girl is developmentally challenged, 36yrs old, can't hold down a job, drive, nor live alone.
Same here! My dad's worldly family is APPALLED that he treats me like this...and they have spoken UP about it too. Each one of them has called me directly and expressed THEIR love and support no matter what - which i KNOW ticks my dad off, but I don't care. They will ask him why he shuns me (they were raised in the 'chuuch' - hahahah) and his response is always "You need to ask HER"! I mean, what kind of PUNK is he? If you can treat me so coldly and I'm your own child, then you ought to be man enough to be HONEST and tell people why you are?! Funny enough, all my xtd famiily makes it loud and clear that they NEVER liked JWs and always felt sorry for us kids being raised in the religion...
...about why i do not want to come back (get reinstated), but i find myself defending my decision!.
i say this because an old friend of mine sent me a text late last night, asking me if i'm 'back so we can talk'?!
let me give you a lil background story, this girl is developmentally challenged, 36yrs old, can't hold down a job, drive, nor live alone.
JW trying to guilt/bully me back.
My parents do that in SPURTS! After my surgery, my mom was UP my butt about coming back...and she used the whole 'guilt' trip of claiming by my dating a non-JW and living with him, I was giving HIM a bad Witness. Like you, SHE (yes - my own mother) had to be told off! Told her point blank "The only ones giving a bad Witness are the Witnesses themselves! People know I was abused...people know I was kicked out the religion...they know I don't lie, cheat, steal, sleep around, get drunk or do drugs...people know I have reached out to you (mom and dad) and you have chosen to harden YOUR hearts towards ME. So really, YOU are giving the bad Witness - not me." She really had NOTHING to say after that.
...about why i do not want to come back (get reinstated), but i find myself defending my decision!.
i say this because an old friend of mine sent me a text late last night, asking me if i'm 'back so we can talk'?!
let me give you a lil background story, this girl is developmentally challenged, 36yrs old, can't hold down a job, drive, nor live alone.
I honestly believe she was asking out of purse concern...remember, the girl doesn't really LIVE an independent life - she is 'challenged' and lives with her parents at the age of 36! I had let her come visit me (we live 2hrs apart) and stay for a wknd, and she doesn't REALLY have a lot of friends. Guess I feel sorry for her cause I 'get it' - I mean, I understand why she would feel bad.
People need to understand that my NOT being a JW is my choice!! I CHOOSE not to return, I CHOOSE not to give the power of my future over into the hands of 3 elders who really don't know me. I should start asking others 'why do YOU stay a JW?'
...about why i do not want to come back (get reinstated), but i find myself defending my decision!.
i say this because an old friend of mine sent me a text late last night, asking me if i'm 'back so we can talk'?!
let me give you a lil background story, this girl is developmentally challenged, 36yrs old, can't hold down a job, drive, nor live alone.
Heartbreaker My reason is...cause I WANT TO! LOL
poppers I honestly believe that (quote) though...JWs have this sick sense of responsibility to EVERYONE and EVERYTHING. No wonder they are all driven nuts!! They live for others, not taking into regard their own feelings.
Robert7 the frustration is CRAZY!! It's annoying to even try to talk about it to a JW...
i am considering getting couples counseling for the jw boyfriend and i. he's open to it.
he got help himself for an issue recently, but it was in the short term, and it went well for him.
i want to know if we started going regularly, and his mentor got wind of it, what are the jw views on mental health help?
I know at least one JW who went to counseling but held back on information so that they didn't give God's organization a bad name. I suspect that this pretty much puts a damper on the effectiveness of the whole counseling session.
BINGO! That is exactly what my parents TOLD me to do...I was to NEVER mention Jehovah's org because it brings reproach and makes God look BAD! In reality, it's all about 'secret keeping' and it's wrong. Open and Honest communication is the key to healing and solving problems.