I remember this talk almost 2yrs ago!!!!!!! (Bro Burdine - who has the personality of a SNAIL) and it really confused the HELL outta me between the differnce of mercy and undeserved kindness.....to this DAY I don't get it. The one thing I DO recall most is that the said Jehovah would not extend 'mercy' to Adam and Eve because they were 'perfect' and so they would NOT qualify for the resurrection! That blew my mind.
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Odd CO talk...ever hear anything like this?
by sir82 inhad our co visit last month.
normally the guy has all the charisma and charm of ben stein from "ferris buhler's day off", but he managed to give a talk that was actually coherent one night.. here is the rough outline:.
the theme was about the difference between "justice", "mercy", and "undeserved kindness".. situation 1: adam and eve sinned.
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Did Jarka get disfellowshipped yet?
by EmptyInside ini don't know why this crossed my mind today.
but, i'm rather curious if a convicted murderer, jarka in this case, got df-d. i mean if murder isn't a disfellowshipping offense, i don't know what is.
a few weeks ago i related this case to my brother, who is an elder.
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babygirl30
My ex was physically abusive, found guilty in a court of law, and still was not df'd........until almost a year later for something ELSE (not the assault)! So believe it or not, it does happen that someone in the secular courts who is blatantly GUILTY of said offense, can 'walk' in the cong!!!
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Clearly There Have Been Some Changes Since The 80's!
by The Rapster ini'm fascinated by such widespread use of the word apostate in these threads.
has something happened with the term since i began ignoring jw dogma in the 80's ?
it appears a weird turn was taken somewhere in the last 25 years.. such liberal sprinkling of the word must mean one of several things: either the death grip of brooklyn has tightened around followers necks by expanding what an apostate is these days, or many are simply overplaying your card by dousing this most unholy description into everything from watching r rated movies to (jehovah forbid!
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Hi Rapster!
I don't know if it's become more widespread (I was a kid in the 80s but still raised in the org) but I only recognized 'apostate' becoming more prevalent in the past 5 yrs. Once the org started those 'tract campaigns' every year...it seemed like they were harping more and more on NOT taking OTHER peoples literature (while readily shoving JW literature down THEIR throats). I think the fact that the internet has become SO readily available to everyone makes it necessary for the org to start trying to 'isolate' their people even more and have less exposure to any information OTHER then their own...I believe that throwing around the term 'apostate' and defining it as often as they are now, leads the rank and file to FEAR even being called such a thing!!!
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STOP Talking to Your Family OR ELSE!
by UnDisfellowshipped in" (the watchtower july 1st 1963 issue, page 411).
" (the watchtower july 1st 1963 issue, page 413).
" (the watchtower july 15th 1963 issue, page 446).
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To a neutral non-Witness its a chilling piece of emotional blackmail - to many Witnesses its sound counsel from the Slave.
NO truer words have been said! No matter how you flip it - it's nothing more then blackmail, messing with people's feelings and tugging on their heart strings.
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JW's a RELIGION based on PERFORMANCE! How dangerous is that???
by freewilly01 ini have come to realize that this religion is based almost solely on performance and that is the most dangerous.. i always felt that as a person or jw (while an active witness)that i was always just as good as my last assignment, comment at the watchtower meeting, feild service report.. this left me with a huge identity crisis in the borgorg......... i really didn't know who the hell i was?.
did any of you feel similair?
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Isn't it really SCAREY when the lightbulb goes off and you suddenly SEE things as they are: MS's/Pioneers/Elders are NOT chosen based on 'holy spirit' but are considered qualified solely off how much TIME they spend in service and how spiritual they APPEAR to be in front of the congregation. If you show up at all the mtgs, you comment, you have your books underlined - then you are 'appointed'.
Soooooooooo superficial! After reading Crisis of Conscience, i see WHY and HOW it's all about performance, like you said.
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JW therapist????
by maninthemiddle ini read on a facebook thread some talking about going to a jw therapist, i didnt't know there were any.
i remember a young girl that da and my mother blamed it on a "worldly" therapist.
knowing what i know of her family it had to be the best decision of her life.. .
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My therapist is well versed in the JW ways, as she has several 'clients' that are DF'd - so she makes it VERY easy to open up and discuss all my feelings about the religion. But to actually deal WITH a JW, I don't know...
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what do you think of the elders who df'd you?
by c.t.russel the IVth inyour thoughts on the elders that made up the 'comittee' that disfellowshipped you.
did you want to get even somehow or?.
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Oh........my.........God! It 'never happened' - you serious???? I have heard of records being destroyed/gone missing, but THAT is crazy!!!!! WOW. I'm sorry about that, I really am. Knowing what I went through as an adult in my JC with those trifflin elders, I can only imagine what you dealt with. Please do NOT let their actions affect anymore of YOUR LIFE...ur free...take that and run.
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what do you think of the elders who df'd you?
by c.t.russel the IVth inyour thoughts on the elders that made up the 'comittee' that disfellowshipped you.
did you want to get even somehow or?.
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Oh my God - THAT is a terrible thing to have to go through as a KID!!!
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what do you think of the elders who df'd you?
by c.t.russel the IVth inyour thoughts on the elders that made up the 'comittee' that disfellowshipped you.
did you want to get even somehow or?.
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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH....this is a good question!
My situation is a lil 'different' because 2 of the 3 elders and I had a run in a year BEFORE I was Df'd. These 2 brothers are VERY cold and VERY demeaning (borderline abusive) and I had reported their ridiculous comments/behavior to the CO (who handled it). At first when I wanted to 'confess' my sins - I ASKED to have 2 brothers stop by, and it was my P.O. (cong overseer) at the time and another elder which i am comfortable with. After that initial mtg, I specifically asked that the 2 elders whom I had issues with would NOT be on my JC - and a week later was told that the elders met and decided that those very elders I BEGGED not to be involved in my case (due to personal issues) were put on!
And here I am DF'd....over 1yr now. I guess I should actually THANK them now.
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Family wont communicate - Disf
by w021809 ini was disf'd a year ago - i have had such a hard few years to get through, some days are better than others.
i was married to a very abusive and violent man for 10 years (who everyone thought was the perfect witness) - i was very young when i got married and was never very close to my parents.
my parents never really thought much of my husband and i just always got on the best i could with what i was dealing with behind closed doors.
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HELLO...thanks for posting your story. I SADLY see myself in it - and I wish PEACE for you as I am just now coming to find. Raised in the truth, played the 'role' of good JW daughter (on the outside of course) and for awhile honestly BELIEVED what WBTS said and taught. Ended up engaged to a very abusive JW (emotional, verbal, and physical) and apparently people in the cong noticed how bad I was looking and that something was wrong. Well hell YEAH something was wrong...when I'm wearing turtlenecks to cover the bruises, when I gained weight out of NOWHERE, when my skin was broken out all the time, when I cried at the drop of a hat, when I missed mtgs regularly....Um...WHAT part of all of that didn't raise a red flag?? So when this man kicked my ass /tried to kill me and I finally had the strength to call off the wedding and leave this man - I find myself DF'd. At first my parents were supportive and kept associating with me regularly. Of cousre THAT lasted 9 mos until I decided to STOP goign to mtgs at all. I had a run-in with an arrogant C.O. who called himself trying to 'encourage' me AND also a bad experience with my judicial committe and how I was treated. NOT to mention that my ex's body of elders did NOTHING to him...they asked him if he did what I accused him of, he denied it, they let it go!!! (his dad is an elder in their cong also). I was made out to look crazy, deranged, and the 'trouble maker' since I was DF'd and he wasnt. Well, by the time 9 mos came around and I was STILL Df'd and STILL going to mtgs, I had had enough! Decided that things were cracked UP and that I didn't deserve what happened to me NOR did I deserve to be treated like some piece of spiritual trash by a cong of people who had done far worse then I EVER had or would do! So I quit going - and haven't looked back. YES time caught up to my ex and he eventually was DF'd, and is now running from the law last I heard (pathetic loser that he is). But as for me, I have NO desire to ever go back to JWs...and because of that choice, my 'loving parents' (being sarcastic) have made the choice to shun me. So since Sept, I haven't seen nor spoken to them at all! I would be lying if i said it doesn't hurt to have to be fake when someone inevitably asks "So how are your folks doing?"...but what else can I do - THEY made this choice - not me. Makes me angry that they choose a religion OVER their own child - despite ALL I went through with the abuse and almost losing my life. Somedays (like now around holiday time when I have time off from work) it's difficult knowing that I can't just POP on by their house or expect a call from them. Matter-a-fact, my birthday is on Mon and they usually do the whole "we're thankful Jehovah gave you to us today" and THIS year , well, I'm not expecting THAT phone call at all!!
It does get easier though...it's been 1yr and 5 mos since I was DF'd, and I am FINALLY starting to feel like 'me' - the real me. The one I always hid as a JW, the one that my parents act like they are so disgusted of. In the end, THEY are the ones that lose out because they don't know ME anymore - their own flesh and blood. THEY can be embarassed when asked "how is your daughter doing" and they have no idea...and why? Because their religion tells them to be that way. UGH!!! There is a peace in knowing that the problem isn't 'me' anymore. I HOPE you are able to find that same peace soon.