Posts by cyberjesus

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"THE SPIRIT THAT NOW OPERATES IN THE SONS OF DISOBEDIENCE"

by mrsjones5 in

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cyberjesus

Well the WT says that you shouldnt be here in association with us, so you are not obeying the FDS and therefore Jehovah's guidance. Some kind of spirit is operating inside you right now.

Do you repent?

Anyway greetings pjs.

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The struggle against the immediae danger from false teachers

by mrsjones5 in

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golly, i feel like a householder.

you're counting time here, aren't ya?

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Gary, I think that even if they would change all their mistakes they would get "God's" aproval. Now you are not a JW but you wife is. So it really matters because her life is based on their beliefs. You know what I mean? If the JW are wrong then all the hours she spends to them she could give them to you and your family. Do you have children? What would happend if you would happen if you find yourself that a member of the family needs a transfusion? then it does make a difference. You know what i mean?

You have your religion, i assume is christian, correct? Well all this questions regarding her religion can be asked about your religion as well? JW are cult and now I am very carefull with any religion. I was manipulated once. So if I had a religion i would question it as thoughly as hers. Thats what I did with mine and thats why I left. You get my point? We all want to do what is right. Well I do. I am sure you do, your wife too. I just dont want anybody to tell me what it is, I wanna find it myself.

Best wishes,

PJS, you didnt respond to my statement, you are changing the subject, are you aware of it? Someone claim you are not a JW. let me ask you a question . how many questions they asked you to get baptized?

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ethical question - maybe you can help

by besty in

this is hypothetical, but it must happen and i don't recall it being addressed before on jwn.

we are df'd about 2 years now.

our jw friends shunned us.. if one such friend now reaches out to contact us that would surely be a good thing, yes?

cyberjesus

This is what I think.

First of all is he my friend or just a past acquientance? Even if he didnt speak to me before but I considered him my friend I know that the reason he couldnt talk to me is because he was not allowed to talk to me and not because I didnt wanted to. So If he is my friend I will be very happy he is trying to talk to me again because now due to what happened he is out so he can no longer feel restricted to talk to me.

Second why is he reaching to me? does he need help? is he lonely? is he suffering because noone talks to him? is he guilty? I dont know and it doesnt matter because he is reaching to me so I would listen. or am i going to shun him just because the WT said so? at this point I am free of their control so they are not gonna dictate me who to talk to. I dont wanna be guilty of doing to him what the WT did to me.

Now, what did he do? did he broke up his marriage? how do I know? who am I to make a judgment if I dont even know all the factors involved? I would leave that for the elders :-) And once again I will be happy that he is out. Even if he had bad intentions and purposly committed the SIn of adultery he is in a very good position because he is now out of reach from the WT. I am condoning what he did. I had nothing to do with it. I might be sorry for what he did. But I am happy he is out. I rather have him out and divorced than in and married. A lot of those marriages are not even good anyway.

Now just because he is out, it doesnt mean that his eyes are open. he is still programmed by the WT. ABSOLUTELY, he is not out because he doubted but because he was kicked out. So i have to treat him as I would treat any other JW except that he is able to talk to me now. What a great place to be. I would see where he is in his beliefs and I would try to help him think by himself again. What if he repents not from the SIN of adultery as the WT paints it but for hurting his wife? What if he really loves her and wants to fix it? well now he as a better tool. What is she love him? in a way cheatting was a blessing because it allowed him the opportunity to learn things he wouldnt have. Can you imagine he deprograms himself, he fixes his marriage and then helps his wife? If that happend to me I would be happy she did it even if our marriage is not solved. I lost my wife I gain my life.

We are so judgemental and the WT makes the things worst.

FYI I was DFd for 14 years... but never deprogrammed until last month. Before I was mad I was treated bad in my comitte and they kicked me out. Now I m happy otherwise i would still be there.

Now am in not even getting in the issue of morality because morality is defined by the religious views of the community.Cheattin is bad because of this countrys religious beliefs but there are other cultures and countries where it isnt. So even adultery is a Moral-religious issue that I we are indoctrinated.

anyway sorry if my english is not that good. I still need to perfect it :-)

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JW porn

by frozen one in

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its just like armygetton.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezxbyitj2sm .

cyberjesus

Do you think they are gonna appoint the Director of tha Movie a new member of the GB. And the writter goes directly to the WT editorial department.. wait but they are not annoited, its ok, they still have time I am sure they allready like wine.

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The struggle against the immediae danger from false teachers

by mrsjones5 in

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friends

golly, i feel like a householder.

you're counting time here, aren't ya?

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cyberjesus

Gary, I see that you are interested in seeing change. I was hoping for the same. freeminds.com has alot of information that where you can see if change will ever happen. The only change I see coming in the WT is to come up with a new excuse regarding the 1914.

The mormons used to say that the book of mormon was perfect and needed no change. Hoever just recently they change one word. only one word that changes a big issue of their beliefs and didnt even made it public. very subtle. Thats the kind of changes I see happening in the WT. nobody will even notice the new excuses.

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The struggle against the immediae danger from false teachers

by mrsjones5 in

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friends

golly, i feel like a householder.

you're counting time here, aren't ya?

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cyberjesus

PJS, No I am not connected to the tire place. Although I know where Banning is, do you live around there?// The message is this, Just recently I used to be on your side. I hated, let me rephrase I HATED the apostates. But I also hated to have so many unresolved questions. Things that didnt make sense being that Jehovah, according to my past believes was directing the organization. So I studied, I researched. I didnt like what I found. I hated what I found, but kept digging. Hate was an undelying layer...

Now I love what I found because it helped me think differently. Do you ever wonder why if we also believed that the organization was directed by God using the Governing body a lot of us have left? Even pioners who preach the same message everyday, Elder who help the member adjust, CO who oversee that everyone is in the same page? Missionaries who are selected very carefully, writters of the same articles you have to read every week? Even a member of the same Governent body who according to your belief God uses to help you think the way you think?

We all have something in common, we all discover the same thing on our own. Do you wonder what it is? What could it be so big that we were willing to give up our hope in the paradise even our own family?

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The Watchtower Society owns businesses?

by garyneal in

in my previous topic alwayshere said the following:.

you asked "can a jw join the military?

" her answer "no all the military is good for is killing people and destroying things.

cyberjesus

http://www.randytv.com/randcam.htm check it out

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The struggle against the immediae danger from false teachers

by mrsjones5 in

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friends

golly, i feel like a householder.

you're counting time here, aren't ya?

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cyberjesus

I have to say that I am happy to see JW talking to Apostates, even if it is to defend your faith. Because most JWs dont dare, so thats a good thing. As long as we can talk together there is one battle won already.

Now if I may make an observation is that Most XJWs used to think exactly like you JWs in the past.. However something changed. And now we think different. We XJWs know why you think that way that why we could understand where you are coming from. My suggestion is that you also try to research why we disagree with the way the WT handles itself and the spiritual wellbeing of JWs so you can understand us as well.

You dont have to agree with us nor us with you but we could understand each other. However I still commend you for having the courage of speaking with us :-)

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A few questions concerning Jehovah's Witnesses doctrines

by garyneal in

for those familiar with my postings already know, i am a christian who is married to an active jehovah's witness (though not yet baptized).

we discuss issues concerning the witnesses and their doctrines and have had "bible studies" with one of the elders.

i've asked her about some of these things and i would like to share her responses and see if it lines up with watchtower teachings.. can a police officer become a jehovah's witness?.

cyberjesus

Gary, your questions are valid, you are coming to pretty good conclusions because you want to know the truth. Your wifes answers will have to always protect her "religion".

I know JWs are a cult and they teach alot of crazy things. You need to come to your own conclusion too.

Keep asking her questions, the benefit of your questions is not the answer you get from her but rather the side effect of the product, she is forced to think.

keep asking questions but request her to back-up the the answers.

I hope this helps.

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paranoid and ready to officially leave!

by leftchica in

so i officially realized today that i am paranoid!!

everytime i hear a car door slam outside i peek out the window.

my blinds are closed and the telivision is on low.

cyberjesus

Hola Chica, please let me add some thoughts,

1.-Slow down and delay talking to the elders. You need to make sure you will take an informed decision. And right now you are in panic mode so if the elders need to talk they must wait until you are more calm.

2.- Get your questions answered. If your husband cant answer them (and based on experience he wont because no JW can give a logical and verifiable answer) then you can answer the question yourself. Here is a good start http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/changed-watchtower-teachings.php but keep researching. The book Crisis of Consience helped me a lot.

3.- If you decide to leave then the next question is: Do you want your husband to leave with you? Cuz if you dont, then the marriage will suffer. If you wanna help him out then get the book Releasing the Bonds by Steven Hassan. It will give you a lot of information as to how to help him out. When I opened my eyes I wanted to tell my family what i had found but that only made the things worst cuz they got scared. But I learned my lesson so get help on how to help him http://www.freedomofmind.com/ and how to help yourself

4.- If you are ready to leave then decide the best way (the most convenient for you). Because if you have family inside is easier to help them as an inactive person than as DFd or dissaciotated. If thats the case the fading method could be beneficial. In other words you need to keep all the communication lines as open as possible with your loved ones so you can help them think for themselves. Remember your husbad is also fearful of the consecuences, same as you. Same as me. We have "FEAR" because we were taught to fear many things.

I am sorry if I sound like i know all the answers :-( (I am still fighting to get rid of these JW bad habits)

So recover your cool first, get more information so you can take your desicion and then get more info on how to take your desicion. You want to think for yourself and help your family to think for themselves.

Best of wishes,