Posts by cyberjesus

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Fading fast and not sure how to proceed with the JW relatives...

by 2pink in

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friends

firstly, my apologies for all the posts i've written over the past few weeks asking for help with all the issues that come with leaving the wt.

i realize i am all "take" and no "give" at this point, but i'll pay it forward at some later date, i promise!

so, as the title of this thread suggests, i'm fading fast....more disappearing than fading really.

cyberjesus

Take it easy, your heart is resolved to leave, you are on the right path, you have an advantage, your friends still talk to you so you have some leverage. Have in mind that they are still under mind-control. Very important to remember, you need to learn how to approach them without making them think you are an apostate otherwise THEY WILL shunn you.

Releasing the Bonds by Steve Hassan will give you lots of info on how to approach them. You are just gaining time. After you have made them think and use their own brains then they can take their own desicisions.

Hope that helps a little

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Why Do Jehovah's Witnesses Use the Term "Manmade Religions"?

by Cold Steel in

over the years, and just a few weeks ago as a matter of fact, i've anwered the door to find jehovah's witnesses standing there.

in my discussions with them, they've usually mentioned "manmade religions" and armegeddon.

having looked into their religion somewhat, and more so lately, i have to say that the entire movement seems to be manmade and, if not, i certainly don't know where, or how, god could have had a hand in it.. what is there in the way their church was formed that would make it formed, created or established by god?

cyberjesus

Hey Cold, For one JWs believe they are the true Christians, therefore their religion was established by Christ. They also claim to be the Witnesses of Jehovah, and since the first Jehova witness was Jesus they are in direct line. They claim there is always a Jehovah witness on earth. Of course they can not support that theory.

Since any other religion is false therefore created by man because they werent created by God. But of course non of them are aware that their religion was created by CTR they think he was only an intermediary.

Oh well. But you could ask them next time they know at your door and stomp them. most likely they wont be able to prove it and they will say they will come back with the answer shortly.

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If The Society Could....What Else Would Be Considered "Improper" To Do?

by minimus in

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friends

recently there was a thread about the evils of "social networking" for witnesses.

facebook, my space and other similar sites are "worldly" and to be avoided.. before you know, nearly everything will be considered unacceptable for a christian witness of jehovah.

let's have fun and go to extremes...what else will be a no-no?.

cyberjesus

Jehovah's witnesses, an american taliban.. wow they are so similar

ok here is my list

Cars with heaters on the seats... They might lead you to sin.

Coca-Cola... in spanish means a very weird way to get the drugs inside your body.

Tests in schools.... it makes you think.

Studying the pyramid of Giza... you migh discover CTR measurements were wrong.

Cell phones in silent mode... they migh be take you to loose conduct if they vibrate in the wrong place..(or the right place)

The Bible... you migth leave the Cult if you read it

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May I just ask one simple ? on 607, apologists, and this board???

by JWoods in

here we have iirc more than four separate threads on 607, and of course a remonstration to not be unkind to the apologists.. why?

607 is of course complete nonsense - not even regular witnesses can remember the "logic" behind it and why it is even mentioned from time to time in their stupid "deep spiritual literature".

some time back this board was so badly infected with this junk by people like the "scholar" that it was painful to look over all of it and find an intelligent thread to participate in.

cyberjesus

"Wise people learn from others mistakes
Smart people learn from their own mistakes
Stupid people never learn.... and
Dubs already learned everything from the WT"

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1st Amendment Rights: Freedom Of Speech Question

by minimus in

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friends

today i was watching a documentary about a case where 3 people were murdered in a contract killing.

the book hit man by paladin press was used as an instructional guide as to the specifics of planning a murder, the best weapons to use, where a person should stand (3 to 6 feet away from the intended victim) etc.

evidently, this company specializes in books that detail how to dispose of a body, martial art and boxing details to win a fight, espionage and many other topics that most would consider "underground".

cyberjesus

I think I can say whatever I want to say regardles or who I damage with my sayings..... Well that would be cool if I live alone. But if I share the earth with alot of people I have to be able to respect others.

So I cant not say whatever I want say if that violates other peoples rights.

The problem is Who has the right to define those rights? Who can dictate what I can say or not? Then my right to free speech ends where the person moderating that right thinks it should end.

What a predicament.

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How Do We Help JWs Who Come To This Site?

by minimus in

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friends

when a witness checks this site out, they could think it's a jehovah's witness friendly site.

the fact is this site is for anyone interested in jehovah's witness things, whether they are still witnesses or once were or just want to know about witness life.. what positive ways can we help a witness on this site?.

cyberjesus

I think it is because there is a better understanding of their cult. Before people would just leave thinking they were in the WRONG religion so they were looking only at their faults. Therefore angry at their actions. Now thanks to "new light" given to us by the "Holly Google" we can understand now that their actions are not only the RESULT of their situation and not the CAUSE.

The knowledge that they are mind-controlled allow us to understand them better. Allow us to understand us better (since once we were also under mind control) Once we understand this better it SOOO easy to speak with them. They are no longer the reason of our loosing so many years of our lifes. They are victims as us. The actual criminals are all death by now. I dont even think the GB, the dudes in Bethel the DOs, COs, OOs or anything that has an O :-) have anything to do with it anymore. THEY ARE ALL under mind controlled. I honestly do not think there is a single one who realizes they are CULT full of lies and hypocresy and heresy. They cant. The worst thing is that they are Hypnotized and the Hypnotizer is dead long time ago. If you think about it, it is very SAD.

Dont you feel bad for them? I Do. Specially because I have a lot of relatives inside still.

So rather than scare them away, or preach to them or try to make them feel like idiots, I am constantly thinking of ways to help them "snap-out" of the control of the "Wizard of OZ"

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I have justed avoided phone calls from an elder

by wouldacouldashoulda in

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friends

in my 4 years of fading i only had a couple of calls and visits.

does that make me lucky?

i am now being hassled to "chat" to an elder via my mobile.. .

cyberjesus

I understand how you feel I have been there before many times. Thankfully I am out but I still get their visits and call from other ex-friends who want want me back. I used to hide from them but now I dont anymore.

Fear, fear, fear. I just got tired of fear. Fear of God, Fear of Demons, Fear of the Armageddon, fear of going to the meeting, fear of the worldly people, fear of the brothers, fear of the internet, fear of pokemon :-) you see my point?

This is what i think. Why not preparing a small speech to apeace them and overwhelm them? They are so predictable that we know exactly what they are gonna say and do. They are gonna try to sound so nice and concer about you -we havent seen you in the meetings and we missed you, you know Jehovah is , bla bla bla- so we know that. We also know that at the same time while they sound so "nice" they are really looking very carefully to see if your doing something "wrong" maybe the way you dressed or your hairstyle or the jewelery. They are really looking to see if they can find a reason to get you out. (if you read and read this website you will realize that in JC they dont try to help they try to kick you out)

So with all of this. lets think of something before hand where we state their concerns first and we reverse their questions, then they will have nothing to say, If you do this often enough they will avoid you:

Let imagine you see them coming... instead of avoiding them this time you go and say first "Hello brother I am so glad to see you how are you and your wife? and the kids? oh im happy they are doing good. Since I havent gone to the meetings I havent had the chance to see any of you guys, I know EVERYBODY must be worried about me, I just have had so much in my life that I feel ovewhelmed so I decided to take some time off to recuperate from my streess. But I keep thinking of you (specially when I see you) and have been reading the bible often (there is tons of bible quotes in this forum) and have been constantly thinking about my relaitionship, as soon as I feel ready I will be back with you. now quote a bible text like the one that says something about not stop meeting with brothers (sorry I forgot it already) and then say well it was soo good to see you. say hello to your family, good bye (so by you stating their questions first they will have nothing else to say cuz you already said it. You be in control you decide when to start the conversation and when to end it) They are so not used to that. they are used to be in control so they will now know how to act right at the moment.

those are might thoughts,

any comments guys?

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I have justed avoided phone calls from an elder

by wouldacouldashoulda in

jw
friends

in my 4 years of fading i only had a couple of calls and visits.

does that make me lucky?

i am now being hassled to "chat" to an elder via my mobile.. .

cyberjesus

I understand how you feel I have been there before many times. Thankfully I am out but I still get their visits and call from other ex-friends who want want me back. I used to hide from them but now I dont anymore.

Fear, fear, fear. I just got tired of fear. Fear of God, Fear of Demons, Fear of the Armageddon, fear of going to the meeting, fear of the worldly people, fear of the brothers, fear of the internet, fear of pokemon :-) you see my point?

This is what i think. Why not preparing a small speech to apeace them and overwhelm them? They are so predictable that we know exactly what they are gonna say and do. They are gonna try to sound so nice and concer about you -we havent seen you in the meetings and we missed you, you know Jehovah is , bla bla bla- so we know that. We also know that at the same time while they sound so "nice" they are really looking very carefully to see if your doing something "wrong" maybe the way you dressed or your hairstyle or the jewelery. They are really looking to see if they can find a reason to get you out. (if you read and read this website you will realize that in JC they dont try to help they try to kick you out)

So with all of this. lets think of something before hand where we state their concerns first and we reverse their questions, then they will have nothing to say, If you do this often enough they will avoid you:

Let imagine you see them coming... instead of avoiding them this time you go and say first "Hello brother I am so glad to see you how are you and your wife? and the kids? oh im happy they are doing good. Since I havent gone to the meetings I havent had the chance to see any of you guys, I know EVERYBODY must be worried about me, I just have had so much in my life that I feel ovewhelmed so I decided to take some time off to recuperate from my streess. But I keep thinking of you (specially when I see you) and have been reading the bible often (there is tons of bible quotes in this forum) and have been constantly thinking about my relaitionship, as soon as I feel ready I will be back with you. now quote a bible text like the one that says something about not stop meeting with brothers (sorry I forgot it already) and then say well it was soo good to see you. say hello to your family, good bye (so by you stating their questions first they will have nothing else to say cuz you already said it. You be in control you decide when to start the conversation and when to end it) They are so not used to that. they are used to be in control so they will now know how to act right at the moment.

those are might thoughts,

any comments guys?

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How Do We Help JWs Who Come To This Site?

by minimus in

jw
friends

when a witness checks this site out, they could think it's a jehovah's witness friendly site.

the fact is this site is for anyone interested in jehovah's witness things, whether they are still witnesses or once were or just want to know about witness life.. what positive ways can we help a witness on this site?.

cyberjesus

I think

1- If they are here is a very good thing. Regardless of their reason. Remember that being here is forebidden by the WT so by being here they are using their free will, even if it is to try to "help us" correct our ways. They are coming here and they should be welcomed like everyone else. Being here helps them talk to people they wouldnt talk in person otherwise. They would never sit down with 3 of us for a converstation of any kind. So actually its fantastic to have them here.

2- They are still under different levels of mind control. There is NO reasoning with them. They cant reason if they are under mind control. So why fight with them? I think we must make them think by asking them questions. The statements of Facts should be address only to xJW that want to know those facts. LEt the JW read the facts by themselves and come to their own conclusions by themselves.

3.- A disclaimer or a special welcome section should be prepared to let them know that a lot of us left for very specific and valid reasons and we are here to discuss those reasons. We are not here to gossip nor to just talk bad. Rather to state facts and life experiences. They are welcome to come in and learn the reasons we had to leave. We are not trying to convince them to leave and they should not try to convince us to go back. This is a place of understanding and a place where we can say whatever we want to say without the control of the WT

4.- We should encourage them to talk. To say all the things they can not say in the KH or to the elders. They can bring up all the questions they were afraid to ask. (very important cuz most JW have questions but they cant not ask them for fear of retaliation). This place should be different, they should feel welcome and able to speak up freely. this is not the KH

5.- We ought to understand that they are still In, trapped (knowingly or not) and we are not. We are free from the WT. They need us more than we need them, they just dont know it.

6.- We were in their spot once. We know what it is like.

Anyway thats what my opinion.

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Morality Predates Religion

by hamilcarr in

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friends

is the often heard statement 'no religion no morality' in harmony with scientific evidence .... or not?.

if it could be proven that morality exists outside the human species, the conclusion would be that religion doesn't cause morality but only regulate it.. .

without god, we will live like animals!.

cyberjesus

But isn't morality as we know it based on religion? How about adultery? or marriage? Why in so many cultures polygamy is normal moral behavior? My natural instincts as a man is to see an attractive woman as a possibly sexual partner but I dont have a religious moral system then nothing really prevents me to pursue her (not that i want to :-)

I think morality IS based on religion but it should be based on human life preservation. But it isnt and as long as religion rules the world it will stay that way.