those were the words of an elder during my judicial committee.
it's weird that they suddenly came to me, weeks later.
i can't help recalling the disappointment i felt when i heard that.
Wow well actually at least they were honest! I think you had a rare group of honest elders. They are never there to help but usually they lie about it. They are looking for ways to step on you and destroy you I know it for a fact I survived 4 JCs actually 3 cuz the last one I was dfd. They told you the truth.
I think the meeting should ve ended right there with the question... what are you here for?
sd-7 thread got me thinking!.
1) so if jesus was in heaven and came in 1914 where exactly was he and where is he now?
is he on earth?
Sd-7 thread got me thinking!
1) So if Jesus was in heaven and came in 1914 where exactly was he and where is he now? is he on earth? I know is invisible presence but
2) where exactly? uh is he up in heaven? so then
3) what was the point of coming if he was gonna stay up there? he might as well not come until he was ready to actually do things.
4) So what exactly is he doing right now? Just watching us? Freaking Jesus.... answer me please!
Thanks for the 2nd video. I started learning english with that song :-) The original version. But maybe I was singing the way the first video is.
my own faith did not survive an 'outside test for faith'.
below, the author gives an example of how outsiders to most religions examine those religions critically, and dimiss them.
turning a critical eye towards my beliefs was a bit scary, but i decided it was the only proper thing to do, for me.
If there was a God, I do not think that I would like Him.
Yes if God does exist he is a very funny guy or a very evil one. Let us kill ourselves for so many years without any solid evidence and proof of his existence? IF he inspired all the holly books then I will be even more mad for purposely lying to some and not to other or to everyone. What a heck?
So If God does exist. I hope Satan too because at least he is not guilty of all the things he is been accused of. Just read the bible or the Koran and see how bad God does behave if you dont follow him. sometimes he will even punish you if your father did something wrong.. And that is justice?
don't care much for Richard Dawkins' manner. He comes across as arrogant, condescending and dogmatic.
Interesting is that people who find him arrogant is theists.
But how can I love and trust someone with my whole heart, and then turn around, shrug and say... "Of course, I have to be fair and admit that you might not actually exist..." ?
If I do so, then I have now betrayed someone I profess to love, and this creates a terrible conflict in both my mind and my heart.
So you can not leaving that possibility open because it will mean you will betray him? I think my father is my father because I look like him but if someone were to challenge that there is no evidence that he is and there is no way to prove it he leaving that possibility close would mean my loyalty to him but my betrayal to honesty.
I took my ex=girlfriend to a EX_JW meet up here in California, Most of them are now christians. she was not sure about God. But after the meetup she said. I think I am more convinced to become an atheist.
An Agnostic is someone who doesnt know if God exists or not. An Atheist is someone who can not prove that God exist or not. An Agnostic cant prove that either so and Agnostic is really an atheist who is not comfortable with the term yet.
I am now an Anti-theist. Because I believe that religion has done more harm than good to humanity.
anyone noticing any odd "more secretive-than-usual" type behavior among jws very recently?.
kind of like "somethings-up" mode?.
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why they dont want to talk to you cuz you are an apostate!
i was in for 30 years.....my ex was an elder...."holy spirit appointed" he tortured me....i was married 33+ years....you know,,,marriage is sacred...you can leave,,,i know,,,,if abuse is intolerable....but that starts a series of events...etc etc etc....i finally left everything...and moved far away.....people actually believe "holy spirit" appoints people,,,my ex would not pray unless there was an audience...you know,,,,people invited over for supper kind of thing,,,you get the point..... my best friend had a mental breakdown,,,,she basically became psychotic.....had to be hospitalized....she took up smoking,,,got disfellowshipped...and lost all emotional support....to this day,,,,as far as i know,,,she is still disfellowshipped...needs to be hospitialized every so often....she is on complete disability.....and still trying to get back into the org....her mother does support some what,,,,even though she is a witness herself,,,,,takes her to assemblies,,,,memorial,,,etc,,,,this has gone on for years.....she cannot mentally handle the organization,,,nor can she mentally handle not being a witness...lost everything....guilt....etc..... did not mean to ramble on so much......i have mental scars that will not go away....because i stayed in a "mess" for god,,,,i could write page after page of things like the above....as being my "last straw".......curious about you here on the board....any specific "breaking point" or a collection of many things..... thanks for your in put...peaches.
5th generation from mexico. Baptized at 15, Bethel Volunteer 15-16, Pioneer-16-Reproved-16, MS-21, 23 Removed, 25 Dfd. But still faithful til 39.
My cousin and I were planning to go back last year and he mentioned some stuff about Rusell and Rutherford that was nasty. Went to district convention 09 then. I started looking into R&R. Did research for 3 weeks straight. Then I contacted my cousin to tell him all the things I had found but he had gotten reinstated 2 days earlier. I found out about Pedophilia and UN involvement. My elders approached me to get reinstated. I mentioned that i needed some answers but they asked me to wait until I was reinstated. Never went back to KH and they never contacted me again either. Got Apocalypsis delayed and Crisis of Consience and those books plus some youtube videos, this website and freeminds.org did the job.
my dilemma...i have enjoyed a very fun and active dating life these last four years of freedom.
most dates end by me moving on (always another fish out there).
last fall i started dating someone i really like (as in i would like a commitment).
He doesnt want to commit because he is happy the way he is. Why do you want to change that?
i have read that up to 67% of all jw's leave the religion when they come of age.
so i wish i could know why the others stay.
in your opinion, what keeps them in?
Otherwise, they might leave, if they did not have it.
so the answer as to why some stay in the JW is that?
Ok Focus here. the question is oriented as to why some that know JW are a cult stay in the cult. And the answers is: Dont answer any other question.
haha that is false :-)!
let's talk about prophecy!
for the purposes of this discussion it doesn't matter if it is "bible-based(tm)" prophecy or koran-based prophecy or any other type of prophecy as long it is to be assumed the prophecy comes from or was divinely inspired by god.. the first big question for prophecy.
the first question i have is one that no one seems to bother to ask whenever the subject of prophecy arises.:.
awesome senor Farkel! My prophesy is that the Armageddon wont accourr in the next 2 years! Its easy and everyone will see the fullfillment of it. I have more power than God.
