DFshipped...............................i'm an expert on jw history,and the wbts history,so let me ask you this.Did you know that the society has a 100% prophecy failer rate?And i seriously beleive that you have not done enough research on the religion.Becuase i have,and it's very upsetting to me to think that this group has THE truth..........What i would like you to do,is just this for yourself.Read a jw piece of literature,book or magazine.In their they will refference all of their worldly books or mags., where they found their information.What i want you to do is to look up each refference that the jws print about.Another words,get the entire book that it came from ok?Then read that whole book or mag.,and when you do you will find more often than not that the jws twisted the refference for their point of teaching,so the book or mag will really tell you if that is what it was supposed to mean ok?Please do this??????????????????????...........And please remember my words today............once you join the jws......that there is no honorable way to leave the religion ok?Because once your baptized,they own you for life,and should you deside to leave,they will punish you with the greatest severity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ok??????????
witchtowerwitch
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R U disfellowshipped 2
by DFshipped inhi people.
i am a df'd person hoping to return to the fold.
i am not critical of the decision to df me nor of the loving organization i believe to be in the palm of jesus hand.. i would find it most encouraging to hear from others who feel the same and would like to "hold hands" on the way back.. this board is hailed as a supportive respectful place so if you do not fit this description may i ask you to move on and not hinder the participants here in following their god given right to pursue their goal.
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New Here Also- Thoughts on the current state of JW
by secretjw ini am a baptized witness... i've been around it most of my life.
i've been baptized for a while now.. just as a topic of thought, what do you think is the current state of the society/jehovah's witnesses today?
it seems like we're in the last days.... but then again, the last days have been going on for 60+ years!
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Hi folks,i'm a disfellowshipped ex jw now,and i love it.And i just started posting on here last week,but i have to say that all of you are very good people,and i love you all.First...................to back up what everyone is saying about the future of the wbts,...........is this.............JWS are finished...and they are all washed up as far as i'm concerned ok?Lets look at the facts....................What is apostacy?????????Their are two kinds you know?????????????????1 is the wbts version,and 2 is the bibles explaination of what apostacy is.Websters dictionary says apostacy is "one who leaves his former church,and no long beleives any of their teachings,and thus becomes a traitor of the church",which is ture,but rather than excepting deffinitions from satans word as the society says,we only adhear to Gods word..............sound familiar folks????????????????????.............................So going with the word of God then,what does it say about,what an apostate is???????????........The bible says,an apostate is one who rebells against God,and actually hates Jehovah..............My big question to all who are DF or DS,from the jw cult.Do you guys and girls hate Jehovah?No you do not,as i do not hate God ok?So the jws are lieing about us just because we are burned out of the cult,and can no longer stand to here anymore bull shit from inside that church ok?They are the real apostates..............think about it,because not one wbts prophecies came true since Russels time,not even by accident ok????????????So with a 100% failer rate.......where do these people stand????.................Answer...........in quick sand up to their eye balls,ok???????????Now while the GB plays God with the lords flock of sheep,i will continue to be a bad little boy out here,and i will so enjoy breaking every watchtower rule written that they ever wrote about,100 million times over.......heheheheheheheheheh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....................If the jws can't get their shit together,why the hell should i??????????And last,but not least is this very laughable threat that they say to all who leave the cult,but in different ways ok??????????.......Some of you were told that mabey some of your loved ones would get sick or die right?????????????.........Do you know what one elder said to me,as i was on my way out of the kingdom hall forever???????????????He said that if i left my wife,God would punish me,and take all of my material possesions away ok?And he said then,if i left my wife,that i would be living out of the back of my pick-up truck the rest of my life!!!!!!!!!!!!!What a bunch of nonsense!Just the opposite happened.I got a job at General Motors making $150,000.00 per year,and bought a water front house,and paid cash for it,and am living debt free for the last 15 years,,,,,and retired now!!!!,,,,,,,so,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,did that bull shit come ture......Fxxk no!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hi Kriptonian7,....................It's nice to here from you man.I am not a radical ex-witness,that has hate for these people.I actually worry about the rank and file in there,in the kingdom halls ok?What i do know is that Jehovah will destroy all false teachers,remember what proverbs 18:18-22 says???????????????????..............Anyway,as i said in my other posts,i know 1 million things wrong with,and inside the wbts teachings,so if you want to know anything,just ask,and i'll deliver,ok good lookin?????????And please tell your sister that i love her,and that even though i don't know her,i do know exactely what she went through ok?..................The reason that i know so much about the jws,is not just because i spent 40 years in there,it is also because at my job,i had access to a computor lab with internet equipement.I sat in there for 2 hours ever night on second shift in that lab.,.................just researching everything that i could get my hands on,on the internet about the jws.And i did this for 5 years straight!!!!!!!7 days a week,so i really found endless dirt on,and about these people.Jws would say,that we harp on all of the faults,and that we don't offer any good news about the kingdom like they do,but all anyone has to do is just read the bible themsleves,to learn of Jehovahs promises for the future.If Gods word is his complete work for us to follow,and for us to be equiped for EVERY good work,then why do we need a governing body to rewrite the bible in the way they interperit it,and to print it in books or magazines??????????????????????.............Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm???And by the way..............their is not supposed to be a GB anyway ok?..............Just try to find that structure in your new world translations index,or in any bible passage.............you won't because it's not there ok??????????????Just take a look for it ok?.........Just because there was older men in the jersusalem congregation,,,,,,,,,,,,,does not mean that they ran the church back then,because the Apostle Paul was comissioned directly by Jesus from Antioch..............not by a GB...............not by a long shot..........go to your bible to see this point ok?The elders do not like me at all.For you see,when they bump into me in public,or stop by at my house,and i gladly invite them in to talk,they talk for a while,and i listen,and when they are all done with their bs,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i ask them if i can ask them some questions.They say yes,so i ask them a lot questions from their own bible,which they can not answer,and it kills them,and i ask them questions about all of their teachings written in the pages of their own watchtower publications up to this day,and again,no answer.Do you know what happens next,they all start shaking,and smoke comes out of there ears,while there little brains gears try to find me a scripture to prove me wrong,and the blood runs out of there faces,as they become pale white with panic.These big time spiritual giants,and cock sure preachers,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,are in an instant...rendured speachless by me,,,,,,,,,,,,what a sad sight it is man...............But i'm happier the hell,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I know more truth,and the real truth about the truth than they do ok?Mabey some day we can meet for coffee..........but we are not allow to post contact info., on here,so i don't know.????
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"The way of the truth is the best way of living. No better way can there be found."
by nicolaou in"the way of the truth is the best way of living.. no better way can there be found.".
remember that?
it's the opening line to 'make the truth your own'.
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I love this site,because their are a lot of honest people on here. DO JEHOVAH WITNESS HAVE THE TRUTH????????????????????????????............Answer.............NO................because new light does not replace old light,it adds to it,just as when a foundation is biult.First row of bricks are laid,then the next,and then the third and so on.You don't keep kocking down the rows beneath the highest one,because if you did,your building would never be built,right???????????????????????............So if Jehovah never changes,and his word is perfect,and his purpose for us never changes,and as IS 40:8 says...........The green grass has withered,and the blosom falls off,but as for the word of God,it will endure forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..............Why then do all of the jw teachings constantly change?..........And more so since 1919,when the temple was cleansed,and Jesus supposedly gave all of his belongings to the slave..........does that mean for the last 90 years that Jesus gave the wrong truth to the slave??????????????.........Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm?????????????????.........Even Russel said new light does not replace old light.But today jws say that they do not follow Russel,but do they?.............Who pushed the 1914 date?Russel,and every jw teaching still is very tied into and rest on the building block of 1914...........remove 1914,and all of their teachings,and prophecies would have to be scrapped.But you see that they have changed all of their teachings,but they still hang on to 1914,because they can't get rid of it,and it's just like trying to pound a square peg into a round hole,it just doesn't fit right?1914 is a false date,and the GB knows this,so now that they have painted themselves into a corner,what new lies will they come up with,to try to BS their way out of it?Russel was into the occult,witch means hidden..........that is why Russel used the inside measurements of a pyramid in inches and feet to mean years of time to calculate the end times..............And the sun dial,and the masonic symbols,and copied the 7 times numbers from John A. Brown from 1800.Jehovah says do not touch the unclean thing......or if anyone brings another teaching to you,than the one that the scriptures teach,do not listen to them...So if Russel used occult numbers to come up with,or reinforce 1914s validation in time for us,then why would the GB still say in all of their literature,and their sermons that this is Gods date?I never saw 1914 written in the bible,did any of you guys or girls????????????......!.....Last but not least is this.Did you all know that the GB used Johannas Greber and his wife,both into the OCCULT big time,to edit the wbts bible for years?????????????Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm???And did you know that HQs GB finally admits this in the watchtower 20 years later??????????????Look for yourself into their bound volumns,to see this stuff for yourself.
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1914.....1919......Where did these dates come from?!?
by losthusband inwhilst trying to discuss the history of jwism with my family, the 1914 and 1919 dates were brought up!.
is there a definitive topic/article which discusses these dates?.
i have heard talk of pyramids, and no scriptural basis at all.
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I'll get back with more info.,but the temple was destroyed in 587 BCE not 607,because in 605 neb was still a prince of babylon,and he was in Eygupt fighting the battle or carmish with his father nappolassar,then in 600 the babylonians started to attack the temple,and laid seige there for 13 more years until 587 when the final destruction came.It is all documented in all of the cuniform wheels,tablets and list of kings rulerships in that region.Plus,John Aquilla brown in 1800 made up the 7 prophetic times of daniel when he used rabinical writings dating back to the 2 century.Plus the jws are still very wrong about 607 and the 2520 day for a year span,because remember Jesus own words in the gosple about the temple in Jerusalem...................He said .........................jerusalem WILL BE TRAMPLED ON BY THE NATIONS UNTIL THE APPOINTED TIMES OF THE NATIONS ARE FULLFILED............................WILL BE denotes the future not 607,so the wbts is only about 600 years off to begin with folks!
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Kriptonian7..................i will be your friend ok?And i will tell you things about the elders,and the GB,HQ that you may not know.First,i'm so sorry to hear about what happened to your sister.She was baptized as a child,but tried as an adult,and that is just plain wrong,next,Jesus was a perfect man,and yet he was not baptized until 30 years of age,so if the jws say that they follow the first centuries teachings closely,they are wrong.No one under 30 should make a vow to Jehovah,because they are just too young to realize the full scope of the vows,and second,going over a small list of baptisimal questions 100 or over 300,or whatever,does not teach the child whats totally involved in becoming a watchtower slave,because it is not as they project it,just a dedication to Jehovah.It is more about legally being bound under watchtower laws,than the laws of God.To prove my point,it was in 1985 that the GB,rewote the second baptisimal vow.What and why was it changed??????????????????????????Here it is ok?............................First,Jesus said in Matt.28,19+20............to "go therefore and make disiples,and to teach them, and to baptize them in the name of the father and the son and the holy ghost or spirit"...........The first vow didn't change much i think?But in 1985 the second one did,as they used to say a vow of dedication to the spirit,as Jesus commanded in the afore mentioned scripture,but the new 2nd vow now states,..................................vowed dedication to the lords visible organization.The GB did this for one reason only,and that is because legally before 1985,one could sue the wbts,for libel,when they were disfellowshiped,because they never vowed dedication to the wbts,but from 1985 and onward,no newly baptized jw can sue the wbts for punihing them,and shunning them,because they vow a dedication to the laws of the wbts,and are legally bound the all of the churchs rules.So if an elder,or group of elders disfellowships a brother or sister,they are fxxked.................Hummmmmmmmmmmmm???????????????????????????????????Is that not Apostacy in full form????????????By omiting the word spirit,and replacing it with,the lords organization??????????????????????????????What hypocracy right??????????What a blasphemy against the holy spirit???????????????????????...........Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
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Good Watchtower Study today
by slimboyfat ini am glad we went to the meeting this morning.
it was about how jehovah's witnesses have always taught the paradise earth for most of obedient mankind.
it mentioned how early christian leaders such as origen and augustine introduced neo-platonic thought into early christianity and allowed ideas about an immortal soul to crowd out what the bible says about the earth.
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Wobble.......................i like you man,because what you said about the watchtower study is right!....................It is just another mind controlling artical for the stupid,deaf,dumb,and the blind............rank and file seat sitters!Lies and half truths...........witch by the way is called........(intellitual chimeras)..........ok?If you take a big fat lie,like rotten cake..............and put a frosting of white truth all over it,man does it look tastie,and all truth............right?That is how HQ sells their bull shit,buy picking out a scripture here and there from out of the bible to explane their points,but because they know how to quote the word,does that mean their reasoning is right?Remember,the devil knows the word to,so if he stood there and read scriptures to us would we listen to him??????????????????????????????????,.............................Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm????
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Good Watchtower Study today
by slimboyfat ini am glad we went to the meeting this morning.
it was about how jehovah's witnesses have always taught the paradise earth for most of obedient mankind.
it mentioned how early christian leaders such as origen and augustine introduced neo-platonic thought into early christianity and allowed ideas about an immortal soul to crowd out what the bible says about the earth.
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I think that todays watchtower study was very inspiring.New light on when end will come,will be in 2034.GREAT ..................Thank you GB for the extra 25 more years of sinfull pleasures,that i now can enjoy.And what would they be?Drinking alcohol excessively to the point of tiolet facing,and becomming a pornographic xxxx film star,and turning my gender to a gxxl and back,so i am in my spiritual paradise right now.Heheheheheheh!..................................!Just when you think that the fun at the amusement park ride is over,you win a 30 year seasons pass of pleasures,nice work jws.......................i love you all so much,especially HQsGB!
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Watchtower study today at meeting
by dustyb inwell, looks like they do have a new date for the conclusion of the end, and that we should "be prepared".
even some people that commented said that 90 years of the 120 years have passed by and we should be prepared for the time at hand.
2034 people, 2034.... i've had enough, i'm talkign to the elder about this one, i don't care if i get labelled or not.
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Thank you GB guys,because this extra time = 30 more years of this old world,gives me a lot more time to enjoy turning gay,and staying that way,a happy and a satisified old man.and think of all of the xxx rated movies that i can watch,and all of the alcohol that i can drink myself to drunkenness,nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But i still might chase a skirt or two here and there,just to switch things up a bit.God it's so good to be alive,yummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmyyyyyyyyyyyyy!
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Good Watchtower Study today
by slimboyfat ini am glad we went to the meeting this morning.
it was about how jehovah's witnesses have always taught the paradise earth for most of obedient mankind.
it mentioned how early christian leaders such as origen and augustine introduced neo-platonic thought into early christianity and allowed ideas about an immortal soul to crowd out what the bible says about the earth.
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Hi ..............folks..........................i'm here..............do not fear...........for the end is nearrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!...........for those already here,i'm the new kid on the block.........the .........(witchtowerwitch)..........hehehe!......................I'm an expert on jw history.....so ask away about any subject ok?And i will tell all..............................First,i did not go to the meeting today,as it's been 15 years now that i have cleaned all of the shit out of my ears,to stop the brain diseases i once had.................Anyone with 1/2 of a brain,should laugh themselves to death over the silly rediculous,lies beig taught in there!The whole jw cult is as the Emporer wearing his new clothes,,,,,hehehe!....................I almost cry a river of tears,just thinking about all of those poor people in the kingdom halls all around the planet,being betrayed,and used as paper boys and girls,to make billions for the elite in HQ NY.One question??????????????????????????????Matt.25 says.........that Jesus waites until the great trib.is over before he sits down on his throne to choose the chosen ones,as he travels accross the heavens to find them,and to separate the sheep from the goats.So if Jesus has not done this yet,then who are these losers???????????......................self appointed yukes?????????????????????................hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm???????????????????????????