Posts by lovelylil2

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Examining Scripture to see if Jesus was, and is, God.

by jonathan dough in

i'll start with john 14:8-10. .

scriptural support for the triune nature of god, and the gradual recognition that jesus christ, the word incarnate (john 1:1), was and is god, can be found throughout the bible.

the evidence is abundant and unfolds like a flower, foreshadowed in the old testament and revealed in the new testament.

lovelylil2

Jeremiah claimed that Jesus was "a god" but not almighty God. I am still waiting for my reply from him. I would ask everyone who believes this to be true the same Q I asked Jeremiah which is this;

If there is only one TRUE God then all other gods must be false gods. By saying Jesus is "a god" but not the almighty God then are you saying Jesus is a false god?

Also to say Jesus is not the Almighty God is incorrect because of Isaiah 9;

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Here Jesus is called "Mighty God" and "Everlasting Father", how do you explain these verses if you do not believe Jesus is God?

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New book the A to Z of Jehovah Witnesses

by life is to short in

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has any one heard of it.

i just got it emailed to me by amazon.

it seem like a new book just released.

Tried to fade away

by Magwitch in

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i left my chauvanistic po elder husband 2 1/2 years ago (after 20 years of marriage - ten of those spent pioneering as a couple).

i took my two beautiful teenage daughters with me - he did not seem to care too much that we were gone.

his main concern was the humiliation and aggravation of having to step down as an elder.

I am very glad to hear you are out of the org along with your two children. That is a blessing in itself. The fact that you have met the love of your life is another blessing. Just be happy and ignore the Witnesses. They must have used your lettter as a confession of adultery. But really, if you have no intention of ever going back, who cares what they think? They have no control over you anymore even if THEY think they do. Just forget about it, count your blessings and go on with your life. Wishing you continued success and happiness. Peace, Lilly

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There's A Ghost At My Place Of Employment

by finallysomepride in

ok some of you will laugh at this, but it's true, there is a spirit that haunts the premises where i work.. it has spoken to me once when i was locking up, it was 1 single word "hello", i looked around and saw nothing, i ignored it, set the alarm locked the door & went home.

other times i have felt something brush passed me as i have entered the building early in the morning.

the experience that got to me most happened the other nite when i was called back to the store by security, as i pulled into the drive way there was a man standing at the rear of the building, in the split second of looking away he dissapeared, there's no way that he could have run off the property in that split second.. what do you think?.

lovelylil2

My kids and I have had several unexplained things happen in our home since we moved in 8 years ago.

During the first week, my son and I came home from the store and heard walking upstairs like heavy boots. We knew that no one was home and my husband was still at work. I thought someone was in the house, maybe a robber. I had my son wait outside with the phone and kept the house door open and went upstairs with a knife in hand. Upon investigating, no one was there. This has happened numerous times over the past 8 years.

My daughter and I both heard a breath sound sigh behind us when we were alone in the house.

I was asleep upstairs one day when I heard small feet enter the room. I thought it was my son. Had the blanket over my head and heard a child's voice say "mom?", also someone sat down on the bed next to me. Upon removing the blanket from my head, I replied "what joe", thinking it was my then young son and found that absolutely no one was on the bed or in the room. I got up and called downstairs and my hubby answered. I asked where the children were and they were both out.

Also, several times I have awakened in the middle of the night smelling smoke and fire. I scared the life out of my hubby one night when I literally jumped out of bed and ran down the steps to the downstairs. He came after me and asked what was wrong. I kept saying "I smell smoke, there is a fire, don't you smell that?". I swear I could smell it coming from everywhere like the room was engulfed in flames but there was nothing. After this happened several times, I told my nieghbor about it. She lived next door since she was a child. Anyway, she gave me a strange look when I told her about my numerous fathom smoke smells and said to me" you do know there was a terrible fire in that house, don't you?".

After having many experiences like this through out my life I did some research and am convinced I am what they call a "sensitive", My daughter is too and so was my mother. We are not physic but can pick up on emotions in people and on experiences in the homes or land of people. I think what we are experiencing in our home are things that happened in the past.

Here is another experience I had not in the home.

My son had terrrible asthma when he was younger. He went out one day to play on our street with friends and I took a nap on the couch. He was about 10 at the time. We live on a quiet dead end street so I was not too concerned with his safety. He was with 2 other boys. They went down the street to play in the woods when his 2 friends left him. Some older boys came along and started bullying my son. They pushed him down and sat on him which scared him terribly. He went into an asthma attack and did not have an inhalor on him.

While I was sleeping, I heard my son calling me! I jumped up running to the door. My daughter who was 12 at the time ran behind me asking me what was wrong. I grabbed the inhalor and ran down the street telling her Joe was in trouble and needed help.

As I was running down the street, my son came out of the woods trying to walk up and in trouble because he was gasping for air. I gave him the inhalor and when he caught his breath he said to me "mommy I was calling you". At which point I told him "I know, I heard you". Even though I was asleep I heard him and knew he needed help.

Last summer I had the same experience regarding my son when He was at a friends home playing outside and was injured. At that moment I picked up my cell and called him because I sensed he needed help. I had to pick him up and take him for medical care because he stepped on a large nail while running around outside shoeless. His friends were trying to help him walk back to their house but he was in too much pain and crying and could not move. They were about to get help when my son's phone rang. His friend answered and I asked "what happened to my son?", at which point his frie

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Examining Scripture to see if Jesus was, and is, God.

by jonathan dough in

i'll start with john 14:8-10. .

scriptural support for the triune nature of god, and the gradual recognition that jesus christ, the word incarnate (john 1:1), was and is god, can be found throughout the bible.

the evidence is abundant and unfolds like a flower, foreshadowed in the old testament and revealed in the new testament.

lovelylil2

Jeremiah,

You said you are not a witness but I would swear you are a bible student. The reason is you sound so much like the cousins of the JWs, I know I have spoken to many of you. If not you are surely a JW sympathizer.

Anyway, Jonathan has done a great job so far rebutting all the WT and Bible Student "proof" texts that Jesus is not God but I will try to add my 2 cents.

You sent me a pm saying Jesus is "a god" but not Almighty God.........If that is true then are you saying Jesus is a false God because there is only one TRUE God according to the bible?

What you, JW's and BS simply do not grasp is that NOONE is saying that Jesus is the same person as the father. In position, the father is greater than the son becasue the son willingly submits to him but in NATURE they are totally equal members of the Godhead. The Godhead exists in three distinct persons, Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Again, Jesus is not the same person as the father but in nature is equal as a 2nd person in the Godhead.

And NO, we are not talking about a 3 headed God. But ONE God, who in nature = Father,Son, Holy Spirit. The WT claims that 3 cannot equal 1 but according to 1 Thessalonians 5:23, humans are spirit, soul and body.

In the Torah, one of God's names is Elohim which is plural, not singular. Also, in Genesis at the beginning of creation God says "let us make man in OUR image, since we are made in God's image, who was God speaking to when he said "us?"

Also for all those who claim Jesus was only a high level Angel, the entire point of Hebrews chapter 1 is to show that God's son has supremancy above all others, including all the angels. And that mankind will worship him as God.

Here are some texts of Hebrews 1 that clearly show this;

1 In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word

*note verse 3 says the Son is the "radiance of God's glory and the EXACT representation of his being", how can Jesus as an Angel be the exact representation of God's being. Think of looking at your own reflection in the mirror. Do you look in the mirror and see another human or do you see something lower than that?

5 For to which of the angels did God ever say,
"You are my Son;
today I have become your Father? Or again,
"I will be his Father,
and he will be my Son"? 6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,
"Let all God's angels worship him." 7 In speaking of the angels he says,
"He makes his angels winds,
his servants flames of fire." 8 But about the Son he says,
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Examining Scripture to see if Jesus was, and is, God.

by jonathan dough in

i'll start with john 14:8-10. .

scriptural support for the triune nature of god, and the gradual recognition that jesus christ, the word incarnate (john 1:1), was and is god, can be found throughout the bible.

the evidence is abundant and unfolds like a flower, foreshadowed in the old testament and revealed in the new testament.

lovelylil2

Before I go.......has anyone discussed Hebrews chapter 1 yet. These verses clearly so Jesus is NOT an Angel but something much higher than that.

1 In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.

5 For to which of the angels did God ever say,
"You are my Son;
today I have become your Father? Or again,
"I will be his Father,
and he will be my Son"? 6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,
"Let all God's angels worship him." 7 In speaking of the angels he says,
"He makes his angels winds,
his servants flames of fire." 8 But about the Son he says,
"Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever,
and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy." 10 He also says,
"In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
11 They will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
12 You will roll them up like a robe;
like a garment they will be changed.
But you remain the same,
and your years will never end." 13

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Examining Scripture to see if Jesus was, and is, God.

by jonathan dough in

i'll start with john 14:8-10. .

scriptural support for the triune nature of god, and the gradual recognition that jesus christ, the word incarnate (john 1:1), was and is god, can be found throughout the bible.

the evidence is abundant and unfolds like a flower, foreshadowed in the old testament and revealed in the new testament.

lovelylil2

Jonathan,

Good job so far with explaining colossians and the I AM verse. I am with you on both of them. I have to go to work but will try to chime in more later tonight or tomarrow morning. Good thread so far. Peace Lilly

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Examining Scripture to see if Jesus was, and is, God.

by jonathan dough in

i'll start with john 14:8-10. .

scriptural support for the triune nature of god, and the gradual recognition that jesus christ, the word incarnate (john 1:1), was and is god, can be found throughout the bible.

the evidence is abundant and unfolds like a flower, foreshadowed in the old testament and revealed in the new testament.

lovelylil2

Good text Jonathan,

I like this one too because it shows that the Jews of Jesus day knew full Jesus claimed equality with the father;

John 5:18For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

The WT states about this verse that the Jews misunderstood Jesus and thought he said he was God, but the text clearly shows they fully understood that Jesus said he was "God's son", and that THIS would make him equal to God.

And also the infamous John 1:1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

who is the Word? Jesus. This text clearly states that Jesus was not only "with" God but indeed was God.

I never understood the above text because like the WT says "how can you be with someone and be that someone?", well if they reason that way then they will have to insist that the Apostle John, while influenced by Holy Spirit, was wrong. Because he clearly states what he does in John 1:1. But since leaving the WT and reading the NT, you start to understand the Nature of Jesus. And he was fully man and fully God, in his very nature. And that is HOW John could make the above statement.

The WT simply does not understand the nature of the Lord Jesus and that in position, while he is lower than the father (being the son) but in his very nature, he is God himself. These are two different things. And Jesus willingly submits himself to the father but is totally equal to him. Ask youself this Q; if a human can only beget a human, how can a God beget less than God? Also if Jesus is only "a god" then he must be a false God because there is only one true God.

Peace, Lilly

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Do you like unexpected visitors?

by highdose in

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i fall into the sad bracket of not likiing them.

sorry but i spend my whole working day being unrelentingly polite and charming ... when i get home i want to switch off and slob out.

i do not want the doorbell to ring and have to play host!

lovelylil2

If its a salesman, no. If its a family member or friend I haven't seen in a while, then yes.

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What are you Thankful for this year?

by lovelylil2 in

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in the spirit of thanksgiving, thought i ask what everyone is thankful for.. i am thankful for my family's good health and happiness, for the great friends i have, for my job that i absolutely love, for celebrating my 7th year of freedom this month from the wt publishing cult.. anyone else?.

lovelylil2

Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!