Posts by lovelylil2

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MUST READ AlanF's email to Knocking.org

by sf in

this is a must-read that, hopefully, will stay an "active topic" for all seekers and lurkers, by bumping it to the top as often as possible.

alan wrote it in randys {dogpatch} thread regarding knocking.org documentary and in reply to the email mr. engardio sent to barbara anderson.

however, it is so vital a read that it indeed needs its own thread:.

It started as a suspician

by acolytes in

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the painful truth that bought the watchtower walls crumbling down for me, was not due to to the realisation that the techings were all lies but.

the realisation that many of the elders in the congregation were only interested in their social position and power.. this started and a suspician and gradually became more insistent and finally the realisation that most of the body of elders couldnt care less about the doctrine.. i then observed that many of the more zelouse brothers in the congregation cared more for the security of belonging to the congregation than if they were teaching truth.. this coupled with the fact that 50% of the congregation were simply going through the motions and had know enthusiasm for preashing the "good news"made me question the teachings.. i have been amazed that i havnt been disfellowshiped as i confronted some elders and brothers in a forceful way and the conversations proved my thinking was correct.. i then simply left the meetings never to return.

whilst iam more cautiouse in my talking when i meet members of the congregation in the street i always make it clear i do not go to the meetings because i couldnt continue preaching a message i dont believe.. i have felt a responsibility to tell the hypocrites of the damage they are doing to their kids futures so they can continue in there hypocrasy-.

lovelylil2

Acolytes;

The elders are cowards.

They will not approach you if you can stand your ground and challenge them either personally or scripturally.

When I Da'd myself I gave in a 10 page letter with scriptural documentation disproving major WT doctrine. I challenged the elders to come by and speak with me but ONLY if they could prove to me scripturally that I was in error. Its been 7 years and I am still waiting.

My husband continued to go to the meetings and never approached the elders about anything. He was sure that due to the circumstances they would approach him to talk about what was going on, or do "upbuild" him spiritually since he now had an apostate wife. Well, after 3 months of waiting, not one elder said a word to my husband. NOT ONE WORD!

It was as if they never got my letter but we know they did as they announced me as no longer a JW.

My husband felt they were scared to approach him because they thought maybe I shared my information with him, which I did. And they were cowards about how to respond, knowing full well they had no leg to stand on. Anyway, they did my husband a favor because that was the final thing that opened his eyes about the so called "spiritual" brotherhood.

Over the years, we have seen some in your situation too. And because you can stand up for yourself, they will not bother you. They know you can see right through them and see them for what they really are which is company men for the WT. They don't give one iota about anyones spiritual health. And the fact that you have real dirt on them (i.e. the lying in court) will keep them from bothering you too.

In the hingham Ma congregation the publishers used to laugh behind the elders backs about how they couldn't find a scripture with a search light. and talk about how the elders were not spiritual men. You would think the whole congregation would have left but many still stayed waiting for jehovah to take care of the situation. Thankfully about 40 of us woke up and left.

The situation with elders is a joke really. Like you said, these guys are all about themselves. Glad you finally saw the real truth. Peace, Lilly

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New CO 70 yrs old, "youre not doing enough" school. Sigh

by monkeyman in

got our new co. old school guy, 70 yrs old.

mo is "youre all not doing enough".

sigh.. three yrs of this asshole..

lovelylil2

Billy, great comments.

In my Da'd letter I addressed the Governing Body and asked them how THEY get to decide how many hours we (rank & file) should be at meetings, service or putting into study each week, when they lived in the WT fairytale land of no regular jobs, no bills to pay, no kids to raise, with free health care, laundry service, maid services and cooks to make and serve all their meals. I am like How the HELL do you even know what goes on in the real world and the stress real people like myself are under?? And then YOU get to decide how much slaving for the organization we have to do on top of our already tight schedules? Yeah Right! Thats when I told them to kiss my arse.

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There's A Ghost At My Place Of Employment

by finallysomepride in

ok some of you will laugh at this, but it's true, there is a spirit that haunts the premises where i work.. it has spoken to me once when i was locking up, it was 1 single word "hello", i looked around and saw nothing, i ignored it, set the alarm locked the door & went home.

other times i have felt something brush passed me as i have entered the building early in the morning.

the experience that got to me most happened the other nite when i was called back to the store by security, as i pulled into the drive way there was a man standing at the rear of the building, in the split second of looking away he dissapeared, there's no way that he could have run off the property in that split second.. what do you think?.

lovelylil2

Wow, this is a touchy subject for some isn't it.

Even though I have personally had lots of unexplainable experiences in my house, I would not go as far as saying it is a ghost only because I have not seem a full bodied apparitions. I have seen a mist that looked like smoke or haze though. I know something is going on because it happens too often, just not sure what it is. Maybe trapped energy from past people living here?

I do believe some people are what is known as "sensitives", myself included. And we seem to pick up on these paranormal or unexplained phenomena more than others. One experience I had with the heavy boots walking happened when only my daughter and I were in the house. She and I are both sensitives. The walking was coming from right above us and you could see the ceiling vibrating with each step above the living room. Probelm is though, there is nothing above the living room. Not even a room! The living room is an addition with skylights and nothing above. We both looked up thru the skylights expecting to see someone up there but saw noone. This happens frequently through out the house.

Also my daughter had a sleepover in October and a young lady who never slept over before experienced the breathing on her neck. It scared the life out of her and she won't sleep over any more. I don't know if this is what a "ghost" is, but cannot explain any of this.

by the way, I have recorded the footsteps and shuffling around my bedroom when I left a recording device going and left the house. No one else was home, kids in school and hubby at work. It is true some people will not believe no matter what. I played the recording for my husband who kept saying he couldn't hear anything and then when 5 other people said they clearly heard the sounds, he confessed he did hear them but thought the noises were cars outside. Funny I didn't know cars can sould like footsteps shuffling around. He simply would not accept that "someone" or "something" was walking around our house when we are not home.

I came in abruptly one day thru the front door and think I scared whatever it was. I distinctly heard "it" running up the stairs to the bedroom. This was another time I almost called the Police but knew no one was in the house because I have an alarm system and I had activated it before going out. Anyway, above my bedroom (the room we hear the most activity in) is the attic but it is completely sealed closed. Not sure why but it was like that when we bought the home. We will be opening it up this summer so I am anxious to see if we find anything up there.

If any paranormal researchers in the boston area want to come by and see the house and hear the history, send me a pm and we can arrange it. Peace, Lilly

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Any Comment On The Amanda Knox Verdict?

by acolytes in

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i think the verdict was not based on anti-americasim as the boyfriend was italian and was also convicted.. i think the irresponsible journalisam and charactor assasination on a persons character to sell newspapers and gain t.v ratings reflect badly on english journalisam.

i think this must have effected the thinking of a jury allowed to be exposed to such media frency.. sadly english jounalisam has been responsible for helping convict innocent people in the past.

the wimbeldon common murder and false conviction of colin stagg was a classic example.. i also remember how in america (many years ago)a au-pair from england was convicted of shaking a baby to death.

lovelylil2

I've watched a few reports on the verdict. Dateline did one on Friday I believe, also CNN had a report. You would think if this girl had any violent tendencies that it would have been noticed before this murder. Also some say she did not like her roommate but Amanda's mom said that was not true. I think the evidence was weak. One thing that was mentioned is that she was outside the murder scene kissing her boyfriend and the nieghbors did not take kindly to that. Also when the media showed this footage, it put Amanda in a bad light, as being insensitive to the situation. Also, I am of Italian descent and our culture is such that girls are looked down upon as easy and too sexed crazed if caught kissing boys out in public. This was a big thing with my parents even though I grew up in the U.S. My sister and I were Forbidden to even hold hands in public with our boyfriends until we were engaged. This is the culture in Italy, very conservative especially with the older generation. So I think Amanda was labled right away. When I see her outside the scene of the crime, she looks totally stunned and in shock. Maybe this is just my opinion. Also the evidence was not collected properly (like the piece of bra passed around for weeks), and I think not enough evidence was there. You would think the girl who was murdered would be violenting fighting, pulling hair, scratching and gouging people, where was all the DNA evidence? Also, why is there not abundant blood evidence in Amanda's boyfriends house? And lastly, the evidence I saw with the bloody knife print on the bed not matching up to the outline of the reported murder evidence was solid in my view. Amanda Knox was tried in the court of public opinion. Lilly

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Any Comment On The Amanda Knox Verdict?

by acolytes in

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i think the verdict was not based on anti-americasim as the boyfriend was italian and was also convicted.. i think the irresponsible journalisam and charactor assasination on a persons character to sell newspapers and gain t.v ratings reflect badly on english journalisam.

i think this must have effected the thinking of a jury allowed to be exposed to such media frency.. sadly english jounalisam has been responsible for helping convict innocent people in the past.

the wimbeldon common murder and false conviction of colin stagg was a classic example.. i also remember how in america (many years ago)a au-pair from england was convicted of shaking a baby to death.

lovelylil2

The evidence was badly handled and open to cross contamination. Also it doesn't add up because this girl had no history of violence at all and seemed like a typical young person her age. I do not believe she is guilty and feel sorry for her. She definately was tried and convicted in the media. I hope she can have the verdict overturned.

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did/do you you belive the examples in the yearbooks?

by highdose in

the ones where the witch doctor surcomes to his own spell that he put on the brothers, or when the 5 drs physicaly force the sister to have the blood transplant?

etc etc where the person was praying and ... ding dong!

there appear the jw's..... can we belive it??

lovelylil2

No I did not believe them especially after I learned the stories given from the platform at conventions were baloney too, like onthewayout already said.

I have personal first hand experience of this. As a CO was looking for a certain experience to be given at a convention and the elders in my hall told him to speak with me because I always had good experiences in service. But I did not have the specific experience he was looking for so he had the audacity to ask me if I would "embelish" one of my experiences to make it fit the convention. I said NO. And he was dumbfounded that I would not lie for the organization. He kept saying, its just stretching the truth a little. \

When I refused to do it, another sister in our hall did it. The whole time she was up there giving her "experience", I was angry and told my hubby right then and there her experience was bulls**t and I knew it. He kept shushing me so none of the others around us heard. I was sooo mad that day.

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New book the A to Z of Jehovah Witnesses

by life is to short in

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has any one heard of it.

i just got it emailed to me by amazon.

it seem like a new book just released.

lovelylil2

It is quite expensive for a dictionary. I looked at a few pages on amazon but does not look too interesting unless someone really has a need to understand all the WT speak from Russell time onward. Not sure if I would have a need for something like this. Anyone here buy this book yet and have any opinions on it?

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Examining Scripture to see if Jesus was, and is, God.

by jonathan dough in

i'll start with john 14:8-10. .

scriptural support for the triune nature of god, and the gradual recognition that jesus christ, the word incarnate (john 1:1), was and is god, can be found throughout the bible.

the evidence is abundant and unfolds like a flower, foreshadowed in the old testament and revealed in the new testament.

lovelylil2

Jonathan,

Jeremiah sent me a pm and he stated that while Jesus is "a god" he is not the almighty God. He is using John 1:1 to support his view because like JWs (me thinks jeremiah is a bible student), he added "a" into the text. That is because his preconcieved view is that Jesus cannot be God, for Russell says this is so.

Like you already explained John 1:1 cannot be translated as "a god" but only as "God". It was Russell who originally added into this text and Bible Students and JWs to this day continue this error.

I am asking all those like him to explain to me whether or not they are saying Jesus is a false God as the scriptures say there is only one TRUE God. By process of elimation if Jesus is "a god" and not almighty God then he must be false. So if they insist of translating John 1:1 the way they are doing, they are indeed calling Jesus a false God. Don't they realize this?

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Who believes in the POWER OF PRAYER?????

by whereami in

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lms2au476os.

lovelylil2

Oh well, I guess I need to change my screen name from lovelylil to egotistical fool.