To Fredhall,
I was refering to 1975, but I am glad the society was wrong again. Or else I would never have been born. I was born January 14, 76. You are right, it is hard to know what the creator thinks, but the society shure does not know either.
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Scales of Justice
by individual inthis being my first proper post i wanted to raise a question that i asked of an elder.
the only response i received was that i was questioning god.
when i pressed further i was accused of being an apostate.
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Scales of Justice
by individual inthis being my first proper post i wanted to raise a question that i asked of an elder.
the only response i received was that i was questioning god.
when i pressed further i was accused of being an apostate.
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To Fredhall,
So when the world was to be destroyed by Jehovah, and I still was just a fetus, I would have been saved. Even though my mother was not a Jehovah's Witness at the time. I doubt it. But then again, The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society was wrong again. Nice try.Seriously, I cant answer this question, because there can't be an answer.
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New to Board
by individual innew to the board - just saying hello - looking forward to participating!
finally free after 25 years.
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Welcome, I just started posting today too. See you around.
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leaving Jehovah's Witnesses
by jayhawk1 inhello, my name is jeremy.
i have been reading this forum for some time.
i asked the elders, they said that i could grow the beard, so i did.
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Thanks for your replies, Gopher and outnfree. I feel much better letting my voice be heard. I do miss my father, because he tried to be a good man. My mother is reading the book Crisis of Conscience right now. I loaned it to her, and told her it is written in a spirit of mildness. She finally accepted the book last week and is already on Chapter 5. I will never know how she reads so fast, but she is doing much better than she ever has.
I like this board, and I think I will post frequently when there is an issue to talk about. I am not into the childish stuff, but I will always express my point of view with humor. -
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Joseph Rutherford and Burlesque
by Amazing inno one really expects 'perfection' of their fellow humans, even of those in high station.
our past president, bill clinton certainly demonstrated that men in high station can and do give into acts that are not accepted by the public at large.
likewise, i doubt anyone expects that joseph rutherford would be perfect, but we would expect that as a human, he had his ways.. what about "true" spiritual leaders?
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Is there a website that has material to validate these claims? I always knew he was a bad guy and a drunk. But there is not much to back up many of the claims that are said about him.
Just a side note, I got out of the Society, so I am not going to defend Jerk Rutherford. I consider myself a recovering Jehovah's Witness.
I have read what Freeminds.org and their links have said regarding Rutherford. However, there is not many that can give exact dates and eyewitness accounts about Rutherford. I like to read, so I look forward to any reply I get.
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2300 evenings and mornings...say WHAT??????
by coult9056 indoes anyone really believe the jaydub fulfillment of the 2300 evenings and mornings from daniel 8:14?
it's in the bookstudy book, and was mentioned in the january 15, 2001 watchtower.
surely they don't really expect the flock to believe that a bible prophecy was fulfilled by a talk at a district convention.
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Thanks outnfree! I have read many of your posts. I have done much research, and I know what a cult is when I see one.
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2300 evenings and mornings...say WHAT??????
by coult9056 indoes anyone really believe the jaydub fulfillment of the 2300 evenings and mornings from daniel 8:14?
it's in the bookstudy book, and was mentioned in the january 15, 2001 watchtower.
surely they don't really expect the flock to believe that a bible prophecy was fulfilled by a talk at a district convention.
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Dear You Know,
I got out, because of I did not have the right look. Or so they said. They did not want me in their society. Remember, you are not supposed to stumble your brother. The elders got what they wanted, that is my leaving.
Again, why publish something that is not fact? And further more, I thought this was Jehovah's mouth piece. There should be no reason to punish the Society. And if the Society was to be punished, in what form does it happen? Perhaps, you might explain this punishment the Society receives. -
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JW Organization On Autopilot
by AlanF inthese days it's pretty clear that the jw organization is running on autopilot.
charles taze.
russell, joe booze rutherford, nathan knorr and freddie franz all had a certain amount of vision.
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Yes, the Society is on autopilot. Look out for that mountain! :)
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2300 evenings and mornings...say WHAT??????
by coult9056 indoes anyone really believe the jaydub fulfillment of the 2300 evenings and mornings from daniel 8:14?
it's in the bookstudy book, and was mentioned in the january 15, 2001 watchtower.
surely they don't really expect the flock to believe that a bible prophecy was fulfilled by a talk at a district convention.
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Dear You Know,
Then why does the Society publish something as fact, when they do not know. I was once a JW, but I got out because of this very thing. And also I got out because of their shunning me for growing a beard with good reason. Read my experience I just posted it.
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leaving Jehovah's Witnesses
by jayhawk1 inhello, my name is jeremy.
i have been reading this forum for some time.
i asked the elders, they said that i could grow the beard, so i did.
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Hello, my name is Jeremy. I have been reading this forum for some time. I think there are truly some great people here, and I hope to call many of you friends in due time. I thought I would share my story so you will know my thoughts regarding Jehovah's Witnesses.
I was sorta raised as a Jehovah's Witness. My mother was baptized when I was young. She pioneered for about 3 years and shortly there after, she became inactive. I was about to enter middle school when she stopped going to the Kingdom Hall. I didn't know why I believed what I believed, so when my peers picked on me, I had no way of defending my beliefs. I got a stomach ulcer from this experience. My dad although never baptized made me go to the Kingdom Hall. (He died last August when his truck went off the road, I suspect suicide, because he said that was how he would die if he committed suicide) Two people studied with me and at the age of 19, I got baptized. I didn't make any true friends in the Congregation. The only friend I had was a "worldly" friend. Today we are still very close.
I tried my hardest to fit in. But, I just couldn't. First, I hated going door to door. Secondly, I didn't understand the fear God tactic, I always thought of him as "Father" like Jesus taught. Thirdly, I never understood this mystical explination about the 144,000 being born along by holy spirit. How could they possably know they were chosen? Fourthly, this constant competition with the Catholic Church. I have several friends that think the Society is childish about the constant name calling and mud slinging.
But that is not why I got out. Five years ago, I asked a circuit overseer about growing a beard. He said it was very unusual for a man to grow a beard in the brotherhood. He said I would not be able to advance in the "truth" if I did. I explained that I had psoriasis and the red patches and white flakes made me feel ugly. If I could grow a beard, the patches and flakes would be less noticable. He said if I had a medical reason the Elder Body would understand then. I asked the Elders, they said that I could grow the beard, so I did. Late in September 1999, I was approached by two Elders, they said that they wanted to come over and give me a sheperding call. I agreed, so a couple of days later, they came over. They started to read about dress codes that was found in Watchtower publications. I was thinking to myself, I have never violated any dress code. I never wear advertising shirts, baggy jeans, my hair is short, I wear a tie and coat to the meetings. Then they read about being clean shaven. Aparently a new member of the Congregation complained. He was good friends with one of the two Elders. So with enough pressure that is why they were here. I reminded them that they allowed me to have the beard. After more fruitless debate, I asked them to leave. I went and told my mom and dad what happened. My mother swore she would never have anything to do with them again, and my dad started calling all of the Elders. He and the Elders continued to bicker about the whole situation. I wrote a letter to each of the Elders, and to the new Circuit Overseer.
When the Circuit Overseer came to the Congregation, he made the Elders told the Elders to accept me as is. They never did. The memorial in April was the last meeting I attended in full. I went to three other meetings, but left before it was over. My last meeting was 4 days after Dad's suicide. Dad and I argued about the Jehovah's Witness ever since the beard incident. He could no longer convince me it was the truth. I bought a computer in May 2000, and started reading about Jehovah's Witnesses. I never realized about the 1975 predictions. I was amazed! I was born January 14, 1976. If the society was right, Jehovah would have killed me before I was born!
I never had a chance to share my findings with my dad. I have shared what I have learned with my mom. I am happy to say she no longer suffers from depression. She was worried that Armageddon would come and Jehovah would kill her. She remarried a man that I like. I am still looking for a mate, but in no hurry to make a mistake. The only thing the Jehovah's Witness have right is, when you marry you should always stay married. I have a letter of dissassociation ready should the Elders ever stop by, but in the last year they have not. My neighbor is a Jehovah's Witness, so I do expect that someday soon they will stop by. I decided last month to rent out my extra bedroom, so next month, I will have a room mate. Because this room mate is a woman, I expect the spies will be out in full force. CULTS SUCK!
Please talk to me, and e-mail me. I look forward to your responce! However, Fredhall take a long walk off a short cliff. Just like Judas Iscariot, please.