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maninthemiddle
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Elder father sent me an email about Feb 2012 WT - my resposne
by TheStumbler ini'm not sure if any of you will remember but i posted on here six months ago about a correspondence i was having with my dad, an elder, about who would die in armageddon.
i was asking some tough questions about children being killed in armageddon and i could tell he uncomfortable with the answers he was giving.. i drafted an email in resposne to his email but in the end i decided not to send it in the interest of maintaining friendly relations.. .
last week, out of the blue, my dad sent an email link to the february 2012 watchtower article about armageddon and said it would answer some of my questions.. here is my response which is a critique of the feb 2012 wt article and some of the broader ethics concerning 'armageddon'.
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maninthemiddle
The most amazing this about this letter to me is that they couldn't sign the letter with a proper name. It is a personal letter, talking about a very personal matter between Ray and the GB members in the meeting, yet it is still so distant and cold.
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Incredible document on the Watchtower and cognitive dissonance
by sabastious ini recieved an awesome document in my youtube messages yesterday.
the person giving it told me it was the best description of the experience he had went through which involved entering and exiting the watchtower over the course of only a few years.. .
written by jamie boyden [<--not sabastious] sunday, 08 february 2009 14:19. .
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maninthemiddle
Marked and bumped
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It appears that I am being hunted down (visited by two elders)
by maninthemiddle inrecently two elders caught my wife at the door while i was away.
they mentioned the need to talk to me about something on facebook.
yes, i know how facebook can be, but i choose to use it anyway.. the strange thing is, i just spent a alot of time looking at it, and nothing is publicly available, so unless a one spouse of an inactive jw is looking at it, i don't see how they were able to get this information.. anyway, that wasn't my real question.. i haven't been to any kh in over 2 years, i haven't seen the elder (24 year old) in about two years and don't even know the other (he is recently out of bethel, but older 50ish?)..
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maninthemiddle
MindBlown, I'm very sorry sorry for what they have done. I understand where you are coming from, and it makes a lot of sense.
I am now thinking I will try to keep the lowest profile possiable. I think this old post does reflect a lot of the reason I asked the question.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/2162/2/When-should-you-Disassociate-yourself#30164
Thank You to everyone for your responses today.
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Please Post Reasons For Not Believing The Witnesses Have The "Truth" Anymore
by minimus ini see a few want to believe in the watchtower's view of bible prophecy, scriptural understandings and the view that the "anointed remnant" dispense the "spiritual food at the proper time".. how would you refute those views?.
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It appears that I am being hunted down (visited by two elders)
by maninthemiddle inrecently two elders caught my wife at the door while i was away.
they mentioned the need to talk to me about something on facebook.
yes, i know how facebook can be, but i choose to use it anyway.. the strange thing is, i just spent a alot of time looking at it, and nothing is publicly available, so unless a one spouse of an inactive jw is looking at it, i don't see how they were able to get this information.. anyway, that wasn't my real question.. i haven't been to any kh in over 2 years, i haven't seen the elder (24 year old) in about two years and don't even know the other (he is recently out of bethel, but older 50ish?)..
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MindBlown.... .when it comes to not having contact with your mother or others......and let's say someone else in you'd never expect to become a JW in your family that you really love. .
I have thought long and hard about this, I have a small child, if I were to continue to try to hide I would not get to take him to birthday parties, decorate the house, trick or treat, etc. I don't want him to have to lie to his grandparents becuse they don't want to hear about what he got for christmas.
I want to teach him that it is important to "be yourself", even if that does sound cliche, there is something to it.
If the family wants to be the "bad guy" and give him a reaason to hate the JWs and religion in general, then that will just have to be their choice. My first prority is to him and to see that he has a normal childhood, not screwed up like mine.
Mickey, that definitly ran through my mind. This is what I wrote on another post today....
what happens to many, myself included now, is like having an employee file a harrasement complaint after you leave and the company tracking you down and threating to fire you?
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How do you view human authority?
by sabastious inbetween 1 and 100 rate how you respond to human authority.
where 1 is being in favor of anarchy and 100 is being in favor of humans having full control over your life.. me: 25.
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maninthemiddle
Dang Mickey you beat me to it.
But seriously, somewhere in the middle, laws are useful. I think the US is to far past the middle right now.
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Please Post Reasons For Not Believing The Witnesses Have The "Truth" Anymore
by minimus ini see a few want to believe in the watchtower's view of bible prophecy, scriptural understandings and the view that the "anointed remnant" dispense the "spiritual food at the proper time".. how would you refute those views?.
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maninthemiddle
Millions now living Will Never Die. 'Nuf said.
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It appears that I am being hunted down (visited by two elders)
by maninthemiddle inrecently two elders caught my wife at the door while i was away.
they mentioned the need to talk to me about something on facebook.
yes, i know how facebook can be, but i choose to use it anyway.. the strange thing is, i just spent a alot of time looking at it, and nothing is publicly available, so unless a one spouse of an inactive jw is looking at it, i don't see how they were able to get this information.. anyway, that wasn't my real question.. i haven't been to any kh in over 2 years, i haven't seen the elder (24 year old) in about two years and don't even know the other (he is recently out of bethel, but older 50ish?)..
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maninthemiddle
trueone, what you say about them thinking they have absolute truth is the reason I don't want to waste my time write any letter, or going to any meeting. i know there are thoes that hoped to make a difference by going to a JC to talk, but I don't see the point for this reason.
There is nothing you can say that they don't already have an answer to, when you have absolute truth you tune out and don't think.
I have read and I am familer with CCMC and it still amazes me so see it in action.
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It appears that I am being hunted down (visited by two elders)
by maninthemiddle inrecently two elders caught my wife at the door while i was away.
they mentioned the need to talk to me about something on facebook.
yes, i know how facebook can be, but i choose to use it anyway.. the strange thing is, i just spent a alot of time looking at it, and nothing is publicly available, so unless a one spouse of an inactive jw is looking at it, i don't see how they were able to get this information.. anyway, that wasn't my real question.. i haven't been to any kh in over 2 years, i haven't seen the elder (24 year old) in about two years and don't even know the other (he is recently out of bethel, but older 50ish?)..
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maninthemiddle
Thanks for all the replies, I appreciate it.
Leavingwt, Let's say they disfellowship you: Bravo! Badge of honor
I hadn't thought of it like that, thanks, I like it.
Sab,
I had not thought of it like that since publicly the announcement is the same, but I guess what the elderetts hear may be different and probably would get around too.
trueone, I like that, If I get cornered and have to make a reply that sounds good.
I feel that Undercover’ s approach does not define a line, and they in their misplaced sense of authority will not see it unless you clearly spell it out. However it is polite, and that is what I want.
Speaking of authority, something else to share...when they were speaking with my wife they said they called a nearby congregation and they did not know us , and they asked if we had asked anyone to move our cards. My wife was honest and said that no, we hadn't and know the local congregation still has them.
When she told me this, I had to explain the reason they wanted to know if our cards were still supposed to be on file with them, is to establish their authority. One they did that, the questioning started.
