Posts by Larsinger58

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what time scale do they have left?

by highdose in

just reading about a 89 year old man from ohio whos just gone on trial for being a nazi as a young man.

if that generation and the gb is in their 80's- 90's then they really can't have more than 20 years left in them?

how are they going to keep the fiction going about "the geneation" etc if they have all died out?.

Larsinger58

Right. The WTS is now in spiritual darkness so they have the correct understanding of the "last generation" precisely.

They are right it begins in 1914 and ends 80 years later in 1994. That is, by 1994 the second coming is supposed to occur, which it did. The 2nd coming occurs 45 years after the Jews come out of exile in 1947. 1947 ends the "gentile times" and also the 1290 days. Christ fulfills the 1335 days and thus must return in 1992. 1992 is before 1994 so the Bible is fulfilled, all these things occur before that generation ends, the primary event being the second coming.

But because they think the second coming occurs in 1914, they focus on Armageddon coming later, and thus before 1994. It hasn't happened so now they think something is wrong with their "last generation" chronoogy, which is rather straightforward. 1914 is relevant because it begins the first of the signs of the last days which is a world war, "kingdom vs kingdom and nation vs nation." 1914 was that World War, that first sign. So that begins that generation of 80 years to 1994.

But lots of things happen before the second coming and the appearance of the "sign of the son of man." Even the "great tribulation" is over before the second coming as verse 29 says "Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days...the sign of the son of man will appear." So no way does the second coming happen as the very first event of the last generation. Another verse talks about the budding of a fig tree which represents the nation of Israel. It says the messiah would be "near at the doors" when the fig tree starts to bud. So for sure the second coming doesn't happen until after 1948 when the State of Israel (the fig tree) began to bud. So even the context of the second coming and the last generation is totally ignored by the WTS. By the way, this "great tribulation" was the HOLOCAUST.

So the Bible is true...the WTS is confused and in spiritual darkness these days. They are cast out. They are the "false prophet" soon to be cast into the lake of fire "while still alive."

What kind of time do we have? Well, if Christ returned in 1992, the same time Satan was cast out and he said he had a "short while" I think it's cutting it close. A generation is 40 years. Half a generation is 20 years. I can see 20 years as a short time. 20 years after 1992 is 2012. There's a lot of talk about 2012 and 2011 AD, so maybe some of those prophecies will come true and Armagedon will come by 2011 AD. At least that would be great, before the 20 years is up.

But that's the timeline.

Of coruse, even the Bible has to expire the "12th hour" which is from 1991-1998. The sealing of the elect by Christ before Armageddon has to occur as well and that wasn't complete until May 2008, so... There is nothing left to happen but the the destruction of Babylon the Great and then the 15-month wait until Armageddon.

We'll know BTG is destroyed by the UN when it destroys the WTS and the Federal Reserve. Then just 15 months to Armageddon. There are already those asking that the Federal Reserve to be ended. The UN is already in place to take over world rule.

LS

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So how do the "remnant" die?

by bob1999 in

according to the "new" light of the wts some of the "remant" will still be alive when armageddon breaks out.. on page 352 of the book "you may survive armegeddon onto god's new world" it says that the remnant has to die so they can be resurrected with a "sprirual body".. .

this sounds like yet another doctrinal discrepancy to me.. .

peace.

Larsinger58

This is brilliant. Another one of those teachings based on what they don't understand.

Well, just in case someone actually wants to know how it works. The remnant NEVER DIE. They have to be symbolically faithful to earn their place but those living when Christ returns never die.

Now Armageddon is complicated for the WTS because they think Jesus and the 144,000 will rule from heaven. But in fact, Jesus will return in the flesh to the earth and the 144,000 rule in the earth. Now doesn't that make sense? 1000 years of ruling and they aren't even here? No. Jehovah is not that disorganized.

Thus, if Jesus is in the flesh and is going to rule on the earth for the 1000 years, there is no need for the remnant to physically die after Armageddon. They will survive Armageddon and live on until the end of the 1000 years. Then Satan will be let loose, who will cause a rebellion against Christ and the anointed on the earth. Satan and the rebels will be killed and cast into the lake of fire. THEN, JUDGMENT DAY! The 144,000 will be judges of mankind. All mankind who ever lived, even those who died at Armageddon will return, both the good and bad and be judged. The bad will get death and the good will get life based on what they did during their lives, which is written in scrolls that are opened to judge them.

THEN, after Judgment Day, after there is no more death and everyone alive is chosen for eternal life, it is then at that time the work of Christ and the 144,000 will be complete and then all of them TOGETHER will then be transformed in the twinkling of an eye.

Read 1 Thess 4:17 says... " 17 Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we shall always be with [the] Lord."

That's the key word here: TOGETHER!

You see, the WTS has some of them going to heaven already and leaving the remnant on the earth with an awkward time to die to join the rest of the 144,000 up in heaven!. HA!! How can they all be changed "together" at the same time if some of them are supposed to be up in heaven already? No way.

Jehovah has cast them into spiritual darkness and so this is an example of it. The "antichrist" will claim Christ does not return in the flesh and that is exactly what the WTS teaches and because of that, they don't understand when the remnant dies.

Thanks for noticing this totally does not work!

LS

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jesus' time on the earth

by ssn587 in

was thinking about this for a bit, if a day to yahweh is a 1000 years, then what jesus actually gave up to come down here with mankind was about 40 minutes, so whats the big deal, we all have done things we don't like for 40 minutes.

so just how big a sacrifice was it for someone who knows his typical day is a 1000 years to spend 40 minutes being pushed around?.

.

Larsinger58

-The next time he will come and rule for 1000 years and then be a judge during Judgment Day, maybe 80-100 years

The odds are greater that aliens will show up in 2012.

Moshe. The above statement proves just one thing. You can type.

LS

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JW-related material at archive.org

by Doug Mason in

if you go to .

http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=jehovah%27s%20witnesses.

and then click "date added" under sort results (on right), you'll get the latest uploads with the jw tag..

Larsinger58

Thanks, Doug, this is great!

LS

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Look what I found!

by agonus in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6kkd4i4gem.

check it out at 3:11 (think about the numerical significance).... .

hmmm..... .

Larsinger58

So if what you're saying about the Jews'/WT connection to "Satanism" is true, then isn't it a case of "Satan divided against himself"?

The concept per some anti-Illuminati vids is that this follows the "protocols of Zion" which basically has the Jews trying to destabilize white cultural dominance. It does that by financing and infiltrating organizations that challenge white supremacy. For instance, the Illuminati besides financing Russell, also finaced and created the NAACP.

But it looks like the white supremacists, the right-wing conservatives will win out. The Illuminati is loosely linked with Jews and certainly that was the message JFR gave in his letter to Hitler, claiming the Jews owned England and New York, calling NW "Haimytown" [sic].

Now before this, the WTS was totally pro ZIONISM! Remember, even the "Watchtower" was called "Zion's Watchtower" and Russell lectured to Jews directly about their fulfillment of Bible prophecy. Now WTS policy is that they themselves are the total replacement of the Jews as "God's spiritual Israel" or chosen people and that the Jews have no further connection with Jehovah officially, which is ridiculous and untrue. After all, would God let the Jews fail? No. He fulfills his covenants through a REMNANT of the Jews, but they still must succeed. The restoration of the Jews to their homeland is in many prophecies in the Bible and relate to the "end of the gentile times."

Wars need two sides and that is what the Illuminati creates. So it's not really Satanism against itself as much as Satanism creating conflicts.

White supremacy is the purest form of Satanism.

LS

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jesus' time on the earth

by ssn587 in

was thinking about this for a bit, if a day to yahweh is a 1000 years, then what jesus actually gave up to come down here with mankind was about 40 minutes, so whats the big deal, we all have done things we don't like for 40 minutes.

so just how big a sacrifice was it for someone who knows his typical day is a 1000 years to spend 40 minutes being pushed around?.

.

Larsinger58

OTWO Lars, we'll talk on Dec. 22, 2012 and for several months and years after. See ya then.

Maybe we will talk the day after the WTS is outlawed and BTG is destroyed. They are already calling for the end of the Fed right now!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vkF6SIQYX0

LS

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The seventy 'heptads'

by Doug Mason in

lars,.

i was going to post this at another thread, but i did not want to have it hijacked.. you incorrectly assume that the 70 'heptads' were in some way related to jesus christ (yeshua ben yosef) of nazareth.

this was a 2nd century ce invention.. i can understand why you seek to relate cyrus' decree to the start of this period, since ezra 7 is irrelevant, but you have cramped your thinking by assuming that the 70 'heptads' are in some way related to the earthly ministry of jesus christ.. doug.

Larsinger58

Lars,

You are correct. All you can give me is "history".

However, I am talking about Scripture, which is where the 70 'heptads' are spoken of. You have failed to show that the "anointed" ones Gabriel speaks of is Jesus Christ.

Doug

It is not my interest to show YOU that the "anointed" one is Jesus Christ. That's just an interpretation I've accepted and I'm just sharing. You're under no obligation to accept this if you have another interpretation.

However, JWs and others clearly assume this, so it's not just me. Further, the chronology works out. The VAT4956 forces the redating of year 37 of Nebuchadnezzar to 511 BCE. Thus year 23 falls in 525 BCE and 70 years later is the 1st of Cyrus in 455 BCE. That is exactly 483 years from 29 CE, the year Jesus was baptized. So even if there are multi-layers for the "anointed" one, Jesus Christ as the anointed one is one of the interpretations that works out with the correct chronology.

So I'm just sharing my personal beliefs. I don't mind explaining it to you further but I'm not concerned if you are not convinced.

LS

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jesus' time on the earth

by ssn587 in

was thinking about this for a bit, if a day to yahweh is a 1000 years, then what jesus actually gave up to come down here with mankind was about 40 minutes, so whats the big deal, we all have done things we don't like for 40 minutes.

so just how big a sacrifice was it for someone who knows his typical day is a 1000 years to spend 40 minutes being pushed around?.

.

Larsinger58

He only came the first time, basically to become a sacrifice.

The next time he will come and rule for 1000 years and then be a judge during Judgment Day, maybe 80-100 years.

So it's all worked out.

We're hoping the millennium will be in official status by December 21, 2012.

There is a 15-month gap between the fall of BTG (i.e. UN destroys the Federal Reserve) and Armageddon, so time is running very, very thin now.

LS

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The seventy 'heptads'

by Doug Mason in

lars,.

i was going to post this at another thread, but i did not want to have it hijacked.. you incorrectly assume that the 70 'heptads' were in some way related to jesus christ (yeshua ben yosef) of nazareth.

this was a 2nd century ce invention.. i can understand why you seek to relate cyrus' decree to the start of this period, since ezra 7 is irrelevant, but you have cramped your thinking by assuming that the 70 'heptads' are in some way related to the earthly ministry of jesus christ.. doug.

Larsinger58

Doug and others,

This is how the "70 weeks" is interpreted by some, which obligates none to accept it but...

It is clear that the "messiah" would appear after 69 weeks, thus after 483 years. So many, including JWs, consider the messiah as appearing at his baptism in 29 CE. So they just make a simple calculation.

483 - 29 = 454 BCE + 1 (no zero Roman year) = 455 BCE

So JW doctrine is fundamental that the 70 weeks begin in 455 BCE.

The only difference is that they used 529 BCE as a "pivotal date" for the fall of Babylon, though they ignore all other secular dates. Problem is, when the timeline was revised, this included the date for the fall of Babylon. So 529 BCE is a revised date for that event.

Once realizing that, others have concluded that the initial reference to the "going forth of the word to rebuild Jerusalem" must have been a reference to the rebuilding in the 1st of Cyrus, forcing us to date the 1st of Cyrus to 455 BCE.

This means that there is a whallopping 82-year difference between 537 BCE and 455 BCE for the return from Babylon. But once we look at how empty and incompetent the Persian Period is, it is quite easy to remove these extra 82 years. Watch!

Remove 30 years from Darius I, making his 36 years 6 years, which is confirmed by the Bible.

Also remove the extra 30 years from Artaxerxes II, so that his 47 years becomes 17 years. Ctesias claims he was physician for Artaxerxes II for precisely 17 years! That is 60 years right there!

Then when we find out Xerxes and Artaxerxes were the same king, that removes another 21 years for his separate reign.

See? We're done! That's 81 years removed right there! Easy. Simple. Quick.

When the true date for the 1st of Cyrus is 455 BCE, though, and we follow Josephus and the Bible which begins the 70 years of desolation starting with the last deportation, then year 23 of Neb2 falls in 525 BCE and year 19 in 529 BCE. That re-dates the 2nd coming from 1914 (607 BCE) to 1992. Of course, as noted, 1992 has to be the 2nd coming date because it fulfills 1335 days, or 45 years after 1947, which ends the 1290 days, the year the Jews come out of exile and get their self-ruled country back.

The confirmation from heaven of all this is the "sign of th son of man" which did begin to appear to the elect with the birth of the messiah in 1950, and is shown by the WTS in the Revelation Book in 1988, that is, the sign of the sleeping black child is shown in the palm of Jesus Christ. The actual sign that appeared was of sleeping black child, meaning the messiah was the black prodigal son.

Jesus has to return in the flesh, only the second time, not having access to his own body again, he uses the body of the prodigal son. That is why the second wave offering is described WITH LEAVEN, meaning with sin, proving Christ at the second coming would be hiding out in an imperfect body. The first wave offering is without leaven and celebrates the UNLEAVENED BREAD, which represents Christ's sinless body at the first coming.

Christ fulfills the FIRSTFRUITS of both wave offerings, only they are different. One has leaven, the other doesn't. The SECOND is the one WITH the leaven, so the elect expect Christ would return in the flesh in an imperfect body. It just so happens it's a black person (i.e. Ethiopian eunuch) so when the sign of the son of man appears, it uses black clouds to represent the black skin of the prodigal son messiah chosen as the new body of the messiah at the second coming.

That's what's going on. Right now you can see a photo of the sign taken in 19

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The seventy 'heptads'

by Doug Mason in

lars,.

i was going to post this at another thread, but i did not want to have it hijacked.. you incorrectly assume that the 70 'heptads' were in some way related to jesus christ (yeshua ben yosef) of nazareth.

this was a 2nd century ce invention.. i can understand why you seek to relate cyrus' decree to the start of this period, since ezra 7 is irrelevant, but you have cramped your thinking by assuming that the 70 'heptads' are in some way related to the earthly ministry of jesus christ.. doug.

Larsinger58

Doug,

Everyone has their own interpretation. All I can do is give you history.

In this case, Martin Anstey is the primary reference to concluding there were 82 years of extra Persian history because he could not see any other fulfillment for the "70 weeks" (70 heptads) being fulfilled other than in the 1st of Cyrus.

He left it at that and trusted the Bible. So the idea that the "70 weeks" is related to Jesus Christ's appearance at his baptism is not new. Whether related or independently, the WTS and many other religions come to the same conclusion, that is, that this is a messianic prophecy related to 29 CE and that the 70 weeks begin in 455 BCE.

Even JWs begin the 70 weeks in 455 BCE, only they think it is the 20th of Artaxerxes.

But since 1914 when Martin Anstey wrote his "Romance of Bible Chronology" we have confirmed where the fake 82 years of Persian history were inserted.

30 extra years were added to the reign of Darius I. The Bible at Ezra 6 14,15 limit his rule to six years. There is nothing you can do about this, Doug. This means an extra 30 years in the Persian Period.

The Bible says the last king to work on the temple was "Artaxerxes" in the sixth of Darius. This ordinarily would make no sense since we know that Xerxes followed Darius. But at the burial site at Naqshi-Rustam, Xerxes is not buried behind Darius I, but Artaxerxes I is? Puzzling? Sure. But not when you look further and realize that all the Persian kings adoped a second official name. Guess what the second official name of Xerxes was? You guessed it, "Artaxerxes."

So what happened? Nothing. The Bible simply calls Xerxes as "Artaxerxes", so they were the same king. Only the Persians used this double name to fool the Greeks into thinking Xerxes had died mysteriously at the hands of his son, Darius II who was then killed by his "brother", Artaxerxes, now on the throne. Yeah, right! "Artaxerxes" was the second official name for Xerxes, but since that was apparently not well known in Greece, he used that to fake the death of himself and his son so than an "Artaxerxes" was now legitimately on the throne, but a different king.

Problem is, too many historians already reported that Themistocles fled to Persia during the rule of Xerxes, so that when the revised history came out that he fled to "Artaxerxes" the alleged son of Xerxes, they didn't buy it. As a result, we have two historical accounts of who was ruling when Themistocles fled there - Xerxes vs Artaxerxes. The historians never did figure out that Xerxes and Artaxerxes were the same king.

Here's the critical quote from Plutarch-

" Thucydides and Charon of Lampsacus say that Xerxes was dead, and that Themistocles had an interview with his son; but Ephorus, Dinon, Clitarchus, Heraclides, and many others, write that he came to Xerxes. The chronological tables better agree with the account of Thucydides, and yet neither can their statements be said to be quite set at rest. "

So Doug, as long as you have the revised history, your chronology is false. When you correct it, then 455 BCE is the 1st of Cyrus. Period.

LS