Posts by Larsinger58

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Egibi Banking Tablest - of which The Watchtower has never mentioned - why?

by VM44 in

the egibi tablets are contemporary (that is, they were written at the time) documents containing the records of the babylonian egibi bank over the time period of the neo-babylonian kings, 606 - 482 b.c.. these detailed records, the first of which was discovered in 1874, five years before the first issue of the watch tower magazine appeared, should have been of great interest to anyone who wanted to establish the reigns of the babylonian kings.. however, the watchtower has never mentioned the name egibi in any of its publications over the last 130 years!.

the watchtower has completely ignored this source of information!.

book: 'das egibi-archiv, i: die felder und garten,' vol.

Larsinger58

Hi Ann:

We have to bear in mind that further study and discoveries have come to light since then (e.g. the confusion about Belshazzar's identity is now resolved). However, p. 23f. shows how the company heads' years of service dovetails with Babylonian kings' regnal years (the list Ptolemy used) so that the total of years' service by various company heads coincides with the total of regnal years for Babylonian kings for the same period - there's no disparity between the two figures. Moreover, certain astronomically fixed regnal years provide further landmark points against which to check those figures. There simply is no room to insert an extra 20 years into their business history.

Simply referencing surviving revised documents doesn't prove anything but what the revisionists intended. If you want to take the word of these revised records or the Bible, then that's your choice. But know for certain the Bible's own critical timeline is clearly established now. 455 BCE has to begin the "70 weeks" in the 1st of Cyrus. To that we add 70 years back to the last deportation, year 23 of Neb2. That means year 37 falls in 511 BCE as confirmed by the VAT4956, and year 7 falls in 541 BCE as confirmed by the SK400. We use the 709 BCE eclipse to date the Assyrian Period and Shishak's invasion to c. 871 BCE, which is precisely where the C14 dating from Rehov for that event is dated. This falls in year 39 of Solomon so his 4th year falls in 906 BCE, making the Exodus fall in 1386 BCE. The Exodus is exactly 19 jubilees prior to the jubilee of the return of the Jews from Babylon in 455 BCE, thus...

19 x 49 = 931

1386 - 931 = 455 BCE

Of course, the entire week of jubilees, a period of 70 jubilees or 3430 years must celebrate the 70th jubilee in connection with the final return from exile, which occurs in 1947. That means the entire 70 jubilees ends in 1996 and begins in 1435 BCE. The Exodus is the first jubilee and thus occurs in 1386 BCE.

So now, since 1947, we can date the return to 455 BCE and the Exodus to 1386 BCE per Bible chronology. So if you don't have these dates, whether or not you use secular references for major events, you can't claim these are Biblical dates. If you are not using these dates, you are not using the official Biblical timeline, whether you believe the Bible's dates are right or wrong.

Of course, it should be obvious that the promised messiah returns to fulfil the 70th week of 490 years, but also the 490th week of 3430 years, and the 7th week of the last 49 years. Thus the messiah must return, obviously during th e70th week of 1989-1996. Otherwise, the Bible is not true. Of course, I'm in a position to confirm this is precisely what took place. Christ returned to human form on December 25, 1992.

LS

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Egibi Banking Tablest - of which The Watchtower has never mentioned - why?

by VM44 in

the egibi tablets are contemporary (that is, they were written at the time) documents containing the records of the babylonian egibi bank over the time period of the neo-babylonian kings, 606 - 482 b.c.. these detailed records, the first of which was discovered in 1874, five years before the first issue of the watch tower magazine appeared, should have been of great interest to anyone who wanted to establish the reigns of the babylonian kings.. however, the watchtower has never mentioned the name egibi in any of its publications over the last 130 years!.

the watchtower has completely ignored this source of information!.

book: 'das egibi-archiv, i: die felder und garten,' vol.

Larsinger58

Xenophon was hired by the Persians to revise Thucydides, which he did. He made two changes to the Greek timeline:

1) He added 30 years to the interval between the two wars, making that interval 50 years.

Original: 403 BCE, 404+20=424 BCE The PPW began in 403 and the Persian War (Xerxes' invasion) took place in 424 BCE, which is proven by eclipse.

2) He moved the PPW war back in time 28 years from 403 BC to 431 BC, utilizing a solar eclipse that occurred in the 1st year of the Olympic cycle. Thus with the additional 30 years, a 50-year interval redated Xerxes' invasion to 482 BCE.

431 BCE, 432+50=482 BCE

But 482 BCE is not an Olympic year and Xerxes' invasion must occur during an Olympic year, so at some point this was adjusted down to 480 BC, so now there are only 48 years interval (exclusive) between the two wars.

432 + 48 = 480 BCE

This created a 57 to 58 years distortion in the timeline going back to the time of Nebuchadnezzar II. This is the 57-year discrepancy that is found in the VAT4956 which dates year 37 to both 511 BCE and 568 BCE as a direct result of Xenophon's revisions. But having noted that, any historical references that reflect the shorter relative chronology Neo-Babylonian Period (26 years shorter than Biblical dating for NB Period) or any absolute dating to the revised dates (i.e. VAT4956 dating year 37 to 568 BCE) are all fabricated. Thus any business documents, astronomical texts or historical records or palace histories all had to be revised or destroyed to reflect the new chronology. Even the Jews had to suppress the Books of Daniel and Ezra/Nehemiah for a while, though they replaced it with apocryphal "Esdras" leaving out some of the historical conflict.

So since the business records of this banking house would have been targeted for destruction, they were simply revised. Since the NB Period was reduced, though, the revision involved removing some of the records, not creating any fake new ones. So these banking tablets by aligning with the revised timeline proves they were revised.

But if you want to believe these banking tablets and dismiss the Bible's own timeline, which has absolute dating for 1 Cyrus in 455 BCE and a 70-year interval back to the last deportation, year 23 of Nebuchadnezzar II, go right ahead and be fooled. There is enough evidence now, especially with the VAT4956 double-dating to prove not only the manipulation and revision of astronomical texts and history but also to establish the original dating. How much of a coincidence do you expect us to believe if the VAT4956 shows 511 BCE as year 37 of Nebuchadnezzar, and when you date the 1st of Cyrus to 455 BCE it also shows the very same dating? Are we to presume there is zero connection between the two? No way! This is more than a lack of contradiction, this is a confirmation of the true original timeline; not that we don't know about Xenophon's revisions to the Greek timeline now. This is past any "choice" option, this is simply incompetent or dishonest at this point.

Anyway, if you choose to accept the Bible as true history you have to dismiss the Egibi tablets are being revised, and why wouldn't they be?

LS

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Will Humanity Bring About a New World Order?

by Spade in

http://www.watchtower21.org/2011/02/will-humanity-bring-about-new-world.html.

will humanity bring about a new world order through government?.

the cia in the new world order: intelligence challenges through 2015. remarks by john c. gannon chairman, national intelligence council to the smithsonian associates "campus on the mall" .

Larsinger58

A world government makes sense!

Per the Bible, the gathering of all the nations to the place called Har-Mageddon is more easily accomplished if all the nations are members of the UN and the UN is now ruling the world. Per the Bible, though, it seems the NWO people will be kicked out of control but the UN will take over world rulership when that happens. The Bible indicates that after BTG (the 4th beast of Daniel) is destroyed by fire that all the nations will give up their sovereignty for "a time and a season" which is 15 months or so. Then they would be destroyed.

So per the Bible, we can expect UN rule to take over. When it does, a countdown of 15 months or less to Armageddon will occur.

But this is already happening. Per Revelation, Jehovah will cause the scarlet-colored wild beast (the U.N.) to hate the harlot and burn her with fire. Part of the Harlot, Babylon the Great, is the Federal Reserve and CFR, the CIA, and other secretive and covert socities. Already there is a demand to "end the Federal Reserve"! So the end of big banking influence over theUN and the world is coming to an end. When it does, we can count 15 months (or less) to Armageddon, when a choice between God's government or government by man via the UN rule will occur. Remembering, of course, the UN will accomplish some level of "peace and security", after which proclamation "immediate destruction" will ensue. At this point, the elements are all lined up just as the Bible prophesied.

Christ did arrive in 1992 as prophesied and by now, some 20 years later by 2012, certainly all the elect have been sealed. We know from Bible prophecy God would wait to the very last minute. It would appear there was a "delay" but Habakuk confirms "It will not be late!" God has his own schedule, so we are on his timeline now. Bottom line is the longer God waits the potential for more borderliners being saved, so why not wait to the very last minute?

Now think about this!!! The Bible claims these world powers will give up their sovereignty when BTG is destroyed. How so? What will they give up their sovereignty to? Per Revelation, the scarlet-colored wild beast, which represents the UN will become the 8th king! So what the Bible prophesied makes critical CURRENT sense! The UN is here to take over! Globalization makes sense. The US is in debt to China, what choice do they have but to cooperate with a world authority through the UN?

Thus the Bible, thousands of years in advance, have described our current world scenario!! That should be prove enough the Bible is true and everything will be fulfilled. It predicted that there would be one military superpower! The Leopard represents the US! It predicted there would be a one-world government, which is clearly the UN. It is the beast that was, is not and is again. That clearly is the League of Nations dying out for a while to become the United Nations!

The Bible is being fulfilled right before our eyes!

The world will go for globlization via the UN, only the CFR, the Federal Reserve, the CIA and the other Illuminati agencies will not be in charge. They will be ousted and their funds totally confiscated.

Amazing and wonderful.

Well, wonderful if you are expecting to be one of the survivors of Armageddon!!

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The Gentile Times Reconsidered

by Spade in

disproving the date 1914 as a significant year in bible prophecy is of great importance to some (e.g.

carl o. jonsson).

along with the meticulous details of bible and secular chronology, broadening one's horizons when assessing exactly what this date represents when compared against the 6000 years of human history likewise has merit.

Larsinger58

Martin Anstey in his "Romance of Bible Chronology" believes theonly interpretation of the "70 weeks" prophecy can be that of Cyrus and thus he dated the 1st of Cyrus in 457 BCE based on the baptism of Christ in 27 CE. That is the same as 455 BCE when we correct that date to 29 CE. Thus he did note that the Persian Period was 82 years too long.

Joephus claims that there were 70 years from the last deportation to the 1st of Cyrus. That directly contradicts the 587/586 BC fall of Jerusalem if you date the fall of Babylon in 539 BCE and the return of the Jews in 537 BCE. 70 years plus 537 BCE is 607 BCE. So Josephus supports that relative chronology, only 607 BCE is year 23 of Nebuchadnezzar II, the year of the last deportation.

If we follow Martin Anstey and date the 1st of Cyrus and the return from Babylon in 455 BCE, then 70 years earlier would date year 23 to 525 BCE. That is the true Biblical date for year 23 of Nebuchadnezzar. But that also means you have a match for the VAT4956 in lines 3 and 14 which match 511 BCE for year 37 of Nebuchadnezzar. Thus the VAT4956 confirms this was the original chronology, at least for the 1st of Cyrus in 455 BCE and the 37th of Nebuchadnezzar in 511 BCE.

587/586 BCE is the promoted and accepted dating for the NB Period only because that was the last revision. The VAT4956, though, preempts all that dating and confirms the Bible''s timeline that dates year 37 of Nebuchadnezzar to 511 BCE. Unfortunately, JWs trusted the 539 BCE dating for the fall of Babylon as a "pivotal date" and then applied some of the Bible's chronology of top that, such as the 70-year period of exile. They quote Josephus regarding the 70 years occurring in the context after the fall of Jerusalem, but Josephus specifically acknowledges the 70 years of exile are served by the last deportees in year 23, not as a dating tool for the fall of Jerusalem. Jerusalem falls 74 years before the 1st of Cyrus.

So even though it is clear the academic world has a consensus to reflect the surviving revised chronology, that in no way means it agrees with traditional Jewish history (Josephus) or the Bible itself. Fortunately, we can get an absolute date for another timeline from the VAT4956 which gives us dating for both the revised and original timeline, dating year 37 of Nebuchadnezzar II to both 511 BCE and 568 BCE. Of course, the cryptic dating always preempts the camouflage date so the VAT4956 is not really giving us a choice. It is confirming the 568 BCE dating is fabricated and that the 511 BCE dating was the original dating.

But this is a good point. Once we come up to the plate and actually correct the timeline, all those references will suddenly be obsolete and outdated. Maybe that's the ultimate fear!! It is ironic that right now, claiming Jerusalem fell in 587/586 BCE is still accurate. But once we are convinced otherwise, which we are, then all those references are obsolete! Maybe no one wants to really be considered obsolete and so they suppress any chronology diversions, including a light on chronology of JWs, even though their chronology is wrong as well.

LS

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C.T.Russell..did you know............

by Snoozy in

did you know that the man that helped form the jehovah's witness religion only had 7 years of schooling?.

"in june 1912 reverend j.j. ross, pastor of the james street baptist church in hamilton, ontario, published the pamphlet, some facts about the self-styled 'pastor' charles t. russell, denouncing russell, his qualifications as a minister, and his moral example as a pastor.

russell promptly sued ross for "defamatory libel".

Larsinger58

Slimboyfat: You say Russell was not Jewish. That may be. But here's where I heard he was Jewish or possibly Jewish:

C.T. RUSSELL’S STORY

Once there was a Jewish family whose name was Roessel. They lived in early 17th century Germany. They moved to a country called Scotland. There they re-spelled the name Russell. They took on the ways of their new homeland. The English tried to settle Protestants from Scotland in Ireland in order to control the Irish. When the opportunity opened up to go to the Emerald Island (Ireland) with the Scottish settlers who went to the plantation Ulster they went. It is possible, but not known for sure that they learned to know the Rutherford's either in Scotland or Ireland. Scotland repeatedly appears as the source of much of the religious heresy connected with the Power. That C . T. Russell’s family were in Scotland for a period, and also from the German states which seem to be a hot bed for Jewish Satanism may be only a coincidence and then again it might be a clue to understanding the origin of the Watchtower Society. This Author’s previous book The Watchtower and the Masons tells the story how the Arian heresy began at the University of Edinburgh, Scotland and spread to the the Presbyterians of the Synod of Ulster. The book gives this Author’s reasons for believing that the C . T. Russell’s family in northern Ireland were Arian in belief before coming to the U. S. and chances are they were involved with Freemasonry also.

From: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/russell.htm

Let us know if you have more definitive information about his bloodline.

But his family was a merchant family and he was well connected to cultic Jewish Freemasonry ala B'nai B'rith who in the beginning totally financed Russell who did promote the Jewish homeland and Zionism. After all, the original Watchtower was called "Zion's Watchtower." So maybe he was part of the Illuminati propaganda to prepare the way for Christians to accept the Jewish takeover of part of Palestine. ?? Meaning, the close ties with Illuminati Jews and Freemasonry is more consistent with his having a Jewish background than not. But this is the only source I know of that says he has Jewish ancestry, etc. The Russells are Illuminati Jewish bloodline.

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Will Humanity Bring About a New World Order?

by Spade in

http://www.watchtower21.org/2011/02/will-humanity-bring-about-new-world.html.

will humanity bring about a new world order through government?.

the cia in the new world order: intelligence challenges through 2015. remarks by john c. gannon chairman, national intelligence council to the smithsonian associates "campus on the mall" .

Larsinger58

Accoring to the Bible, the "little horn" which is the CIA is part of the Babylon the Great, that is, the "Illuminati."

So the question is, when Babylon the Great is destroyed 15 months before Armageddon, will that also mean the end of the influence in the world by the CIA?

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C.T.Russell..did you know............

by Snoozy in

did you know that the man that helped form the jehovah's witness religion only had 7 years of schooling?.

"in june 1912 reverend j.j. ross, pastor of the james street baptist church in hamilton, ontario, published the pamphlet, some facts about the self-styled 'pastor' charles t. russell, denouncing russell, his qualifications as a minister, and his moral example as a pastor.

russell promptly sued ross for "defamatory libel".

Larsinger58

Also, Russell was Jewish.

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How and when was the New Testament Compiled?

by ProdigalSon in

early christian writings.. .

let alone "inspired by god?

church councils) this is what i mean by spiritual osmosis.. there are other early lists of new testament books that.

Larsinger58

It doesn't matter.

You see, both John and Paul, the heaviest contributors to the NT never died! So we must assume they shepherded the Bible's canon and the NT to the point where they were satisfied, even if they had to be very much in the background.

Interestingly enough, it appears the Templars who came through in the 13th Century AD must have discovered John and others with all these records. John was still alive! This posed an immediate threat and so the Catholic Church employed the Templars to "control" the situation. But by then John and the others who survived from the 1st century CE were long gone. Thus a secret quest by the Templars to search for John, who became the legendary "holy grail" was initiated. They've been looking for John ever since.

Once I became an anointed prophet, if there is one thing that stood out was that there was far more of an interest in discovering John than concern over me. John is an intensely guarded secret among the JIOR.

Even so, I think the most fundamental opportunity for two of the original apostles over time is to make sure the Bible was properly preserved, which it has been. I believe what we have today met the expectations of intent. So even if very much in the background, the influence of John and Paul on the Bible has to be presumed to be evident by the present Bible we have.

But who is really going to believe that, even though it is in the Bible? Secret cults like the Templars believe it, of course. But others don't even though it is absolutely true.

ACTS 13:41 ‘Behold it, YOU scorners, and wonder at it, and vanish away, because I am working a work in YOUR days, a work that YOU will by no means believe even if anyone relates it to YOU in detail.’"

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Another Group of Wackos that "believes it will soon be ruling the world with Christ"

by Yan Bibiyan in

just like the witnesses, except the poligamy part .

linky <- check it out.

Larsinger58

Very interesting!

The Bible does not condemn polygamy. In fact, JWs break God's LAW against divorce except on the grounds of adultery when they force those who engage in legal polygamy in some places like Africa. This causes lots of disruption and hardship and actually predisposes abandoned wives to fornication and adultery. So that is why the WTS is called the "man of lawlessness" at 2 Thess 2.

The disdain for polygamy is a Western culture thing that Christianity sort of embraced. All through the Bible we see men with more than one wife. Even if discouraged, it is not made illegal. Making it illegal is adding to God's laws and thus breaking God's laws.

It is quite possible if he believes he is one of the anointed and will rule with Christ for 1000 years that he actually is! That's how holy spirit works with the elect (i.e. "anointed").

Thanks for the story!

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If We All Are Kings - Who Would We Rule Over?

by Perry in

this is the reasoning of jw's that embolden them to disobey jesus' offer to be his disciple and to take part in the new covenant for the forgiveness of sins.. so who are the earthly inhabitants of the kingdom in the christian view?.

the second coming of christ.. 25:31 - jesus then says the kingdom would begin when christ comes with all his angels.

25:32-46 - the judgment of the people of all nations.

Larsinger58

Isn't it great to see 'Christians' all guided by the Holy Spirit in agreement ?

It iswonderful when that happens, but it is not necessary. At one point the "temple in its right condition" was a critical means of truth. That was during the "church age" or the "broad road" age. But now that broad road of organized religion under the WTS is going off into destruction. It is time to get off that road and go down the narrow path of personal understanding. This is the age where Joel prophesied holy spirit would be poured out among all sorts, including young and old, men and women, and they would prophesy. Of course, that doesn't happen under the WTS arrangement.

Now the WTS has been abandoned and you find inspiration in lots of places. But it is describes as stars in heaven. That is, tiny bits of light in a background of darkness. So many would understand one special aspect of truth and possibly not much more. Christ says he would put "new wine" into new wineskins and not new wine into the "old wineskins"; meaning some old concepts and doctrines would not be corrected before the millennium begins. Case in point, while Harold Camping appears to have some inspiration from holy spirit, he still believes the trinity is somehow true. OBVES comes up with a focus on 2011 AD as a critical year but his chronology is not the same as Camping's. So there will be some agreement on some things, but total agreement across the board is not expected. Even so, doctrinal differences will be among believers and those who fundamentally accept the Bible as being true and also believe in the direction of holy spirit.

LS