Posts by Larsinger58

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Memorial Video

by moomanchu in

it's that time of year again.. i guess this was an e-mail invite.. .

has this been posted before?.

http://player.vimeo.com/video/60726356.

I suppose there is nothing the GB can do but continue to persist in their traditions until God intervenes. Certainly, they know by now that Christ died on Nisan 20th, not Nisan 14th. They know it's a lie to say Christ died on Nisan 14th, but they also know nobody in the WTS is thinking or looking, so they can get away with whatever false teachings they want.

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Bible scholars, The Earth is the only planet in the universe with life, state the Bible.

by jam in

my wife friend told her, the bible states, "the earth is the.

only place in this universe that god made for habitation".. have anyone read a scripture that states or indicate this???.

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Larsinger58

DISMISSING: According to bible history the planet earth was created before the sun, the moon and all the stars. In that way the earth has a special role in the creation myth in genesis.

LARS:

Not correct! Read again. The Bible clearly says "In the beginning God created the Heavens and the earth." So the earth was already here for who knows how long. The so-called "six days of creation" merely tell us how God made this desolate planet covered with water habitable.

When God said: "Let there be light" he merely moved the Earth to the correct proximity to the Sun, which also was already there.

A lot of people get this wrong and then claim the Bible is unscientific. Read it again. The earth was ALREADY THERE before the six days of creation began, so was the "heavens" and thus so was the Sun and planets. God merely rearranged things for the solar system and made the earth habitable.

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Was Judas present for the passing of the emblems?

by Lore in

memorial is this tuesday.

while explaining the significance of consuming the booze and bread it is quite likely the speaker is going to make a passing remark about how jesus made sure that judas would not be present to partake.. of course he won't explain his reason for saying that.

but here is some food for thought while you're stuck sitting there listening to it:.

Larsinger58

First of all, John indicates that Judas left "but night" (de nux) which actually means just before the "night" watch, which occurs at 9 p.m.

Second, it fascinates me that such focus on the detail of when John left and whether or not he participated in the new covenant is being discussed and NOBODY for the most part realizes that the Seder meal is being eaten on the sabbath day of the 1st day of UFC. I mean, we all know the Israelites left Egypt on the same night they ate passover and we all know they left on Nisan 15th after midnight. So we also know Jesus was arrested on Saturday, the 15th and could not have died that day.

As far as Judas eating of the new covenant, if that is what Luke represents then that is what happened and there is nothing in the other gospels that contradicts this. So I don't understand the concept that the gospels all represent a different story. All the gospels are completely in harmony.

On that point, again, it is quite astute to note that the one who rebels against God or Christ is noted to be one who ate bread with him. The WTS knows that even those of the anointed must remain faithful until the end before they get their prize. The Bible indicates that one of his own would betray him. If he was never one of his own, how could he be betrayed by one of his own? So I see no problem with Judas being part of the 12 until he actually rebelled against him. His place in the 12 was replaced by Matthias and then Paul.

Finally, since Satan entered Judas, this has a higher implication of Satan's close position with God and Christ in heaven before he rebelled. So Psalm 41:9 is also a reference to Satan. Someone who breaks bread with you is someone in your own household or an honored guest, a close friend or relative. That certainly describes Satan who uniquely, like Christ, was in a special position of holiness in heaven, being on Mount Zion. In the pattern of God's holiness within the temple, the Ark of the Covenant is covered over by two "covering cherubs", one of which would be Michael the archangel/Jesus Christ -- the other Satan. Thus Satan and Christ were considered very close, and in fact, married. So the reference to someone breaking bread or sharing a personal meal is particularly applicable to Satan. Now while the idea that Christ was married to Satan seems shocking after the fact of who Satan became, you have to contrast that with who replaces Satan in that special position of holiness in heaven, which is the church, who is considered to be married to Christ.

Bottom line is that if Luke clearly shows Judas partook, then the WTS' claim this is not the case simply reflects their personal misunderstanding and demonstrates why they are called the "man of lawlessness" because like the Pharisees, they put their own traditional beliefs ahead of what the Scriptures say. They pay more attention to what their distorted beliefs are than to scripture, which is why they think Jesus died on Nisan 14th rather than Nisan 20th.

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I don't get it... (re: Memorial)

by ilikecheese in

why do jws celebrate jesus dying rather than his resurrection?

i was talking to my boyfriend about this last week, and he said, "it's way more important that he died.

" i kind of thought the whole coming back to life thing was a bigger deal, but whatevs.. .

Larsinger58

The Memorial, held annually, was to be done in "remembrance" of Christ until he returned. When he did, he would eat it one last time. That's the fundamental understanding even JWs accept, only they make an excuse to continue to celebrate it even after 1914, the date they claim Christ must have arrived.

True and informed elect ones, who know that Jerusalem fell in 529 BCE and not 607 BCE, elebrated the Memorial up until April 6, 1993, the passover of Christ's return. Since Christ returned in 1992, there is no need to celebrate the Memorial after that date. If JWs were truly following Scripture, they would have ended the Memorial celebration in 1914.

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Memorial Video

by moomanchu in

it's that time of year again.. i guess this was an e-mail invite.. .

has this been posted before?.

http://player.vimeo.com/video/60726356.

Larsinger58

The context of the Memorial is a farse. Jesus could not have died on Nisan 14, because he was arrested around the same time the Israelites left Egypt, which was the 15th of NISAN!

But the world, including JES, don't get it.

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Does anyone think there was a great deliverance of the Hebrews from Egyptian captivity?

by humbled in

Larsinger58

The Exodus and the ten plagues actually happened. After the 10 plagues Akhenaten converted to monotheism and even became a high priest of Yahweh. The writings of Akhenaten have been compared to the writings of David in the Psalms!

http://www.seanet.com/~realistic/psalm104.html

Aten was a loving creator God who gave life to the smallest of things. That is very much the inspiration we find in the Psalams. So it could be argued, though the details of worship were different, that this was the same God concept, that is, the monotheist benevolent creator God.l

On the other hand, had there been no religious refocus at all during the reign of Akhenaten, the naysayers would be asking WHY DIDN'T THE 10 PLAGUES IMPACT RELIGIOUS LIFE IN EGYPT? WHY DIDN'T THEY BECOME MONOTHEISTS LIKE THE JEWS?

Then I'd have to come up with some excuse trying to explain why this had zero impact on Egyptian religious life. I mean, something like the ten plagues should have shown up at some level in the ancient historical record, right? Certainly.

But guess what, it did! The next pharaoh completely got the message and became high priest to the new living God! The later ruling pharaoahs were so embarrassed they wanted to wipe out every trace of his existence!

Bottom line is, what actually happened, is a textbook expectation of what would have happened if the 10 plagues actually occurred, which they did!

But now you see a very good reason why anti-Bible archaeologists and historians don't want people to follow the Bible's timeline or to discover the revisions the Persians made in the timeline! Because once you correct the NB timeline, then the Exodus is going to occur at the time of Akhenaten and everybody will know the 10 plagues actually happened. Right now, the timeline distorts the Exodus by about 54-60 years. The false eclipse of 763 BCE rather than 709 BCE is used to date the Assyrian Period. When the VAT4956 reduces the NB timeline by 57 years, then the 709 BCE eclipse will date the Assyrian Period and it will down-date David and Solomon to where they belong. All the massive buildings at Megiddo are dated now by archaeology and C14 dating to the "early 9th century" (900-867 BCE). Solomon is now misdated to 970-930 BCE. When the eclipse is corrected, his rule moves down to 910-870 BCE, proving he is the king who built those massive palaces around israel and the works at Megiddo, Gezer and Hazor. But that will also mean the Exodus will be confirmed during the reign of Amenhotep III and Akhenaten. When we look into that reign, we find lots of evidence the Exodus and the 10 plagues occurred at this time! That's bad news for the anti-Bible Freemasons out there, trying to convince the world the Bible is not true history. But it's too late now.

Anyway, Freemasons and the anti-Biblical establishment like the WTS benefit from the ignorance of those they are deceiving. They go out of their way to keep them in the dark. So at this point, those who have bothered to inform themselves, skipping past the propaganda of lying archaeoloogists, get a confirmation not only of the chronology but of evidence like Akhenaten confirming the 10 plagues. So they are impressed with the Bible. Those who are insistent upon being deceived and who love darkness think the this really didn't happen and they like thinking that since otherwise, they would have to deal with the reality of God and they don't want to face that, no more than any devoted witness wants to face the WTS is now a false prophet!

It seems as though this is like 10 peole in a dark room, most of them have their eyes closed and a few of them have their eyes open. When the lights get turned on, those with their eyes closed still think its dark and they are in a dark room. That's all that is going on. Peole look for things to reassure themselves the Bible is not true and avoid anything that even hints that the Bible is true history.

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New New World Translation will be announced

by MC RubberMallet in

apparently, the original writings of the bible canon have been found in warwick, ny.

the new world translation will be updated to clarify discrepancies.. here are some noteworthy changes: .

1) in genesis, right after satan sinned, he "pretty much disassociated himself", the original writings noted.

Larsinger58

Ahhh haaa!

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Jesus didn't care about chronologies and bible knowledge--why should we?

by humbled in

when i read the gospels, i don't find a bunch of numbers.

i loved that jesus talked in a way that left me wide open to respond to god.

"love god with your whole heart, mind, soul and strength and your neighbor as yourself".

Larsinger58

HUMBLED:You're spot on on those luni-solar years with the intercalary additions, Lars. You keep us on our toes. Still can't be onboard w/ your chronologies . Maeve

LARS: You know, sometimes this has to be accepted. Everybody can't follow how these things work. It's like the VAT4956 with the two 511 BCE lunar references in it that match the original Biblical timeline. Some people just don't get it. They see all the other 70 references that match 568 BCE and they compare the two. They think since most of the references match 568 BCE then that must be the message in the text. They don't get it that the 511 BCE insertions had to be intentional and the only reason for having a text like this was political. All the original astrotexts had to be destroyed to agree with the new, "official" timeline. So the VAT4956 was created to do just that, appear like it is supporting the new timeline, which it does, superficially. But this was also an opportunity to insert among over 100 references to 568 BCE some "errors" that came from the original chronology. So this is an effort to "hide in plain sight" what the original chronology was.

But that's kind of complex if someone doesn't understand scams and propaganda. People have in mind what they want to believe and its true to them until something happens and changes their reality. It's like the video of the Rodney King beating. It shocked so many people, right? Well it didn't shock anybody in the black community who have been complaining about police brutality by the LAPD for decades. It's nothing new for them. Plus, I worked for the LA Sheriff's Department and I know all about "street justice." So under normal circumstances, a black man who decides to endanger others by fleeing from the cops is a dead man, period. For some reason, perhaps because another unit came up, they were not able to execute him in the field. The only thing necessary was to claim he drew a weapon on them and they had to use deadly force. But the police carry extra firearms for that very reason. That is, just in case their own life is put on the line or threatened, if they decide to use deadly force, they can make the paperwork work out by planting a weapon on that person and claiming that person pulled a gun on them. My interpretation of why they were kicking Rodney King, who should have been a dead man, was because for some reason they couldn't kill him on the scene like they wanted to, maybe because another unit showed up. So having missed that opportunity for a "clean kill" they repeatedly kicked him. They knew he was a living dead man. A few seconds more and he would have been dead. So it was no big deal kicking him for no reason since to them he was a dead man who escaped.

But how will you convince the average, very gullible person out there who believes everything the media tells them there is something secret and sinister going on? You can't. A million black men will claim the police beat them up for no reason and they were not doing anything. But if they see it on a video, all of a sudden they are in shock.

People see the facts and stare at it and don't get it. Their minds are not in the "investigative reporter" mode, which is where you need to be. I post that image from the Revelation book about the dead black child's face and I don't get any real comments on it. They SEE IT. But it makes no sense, so they go about their own business and pretend everything is okay. They see Russell buried under a pyramid and that same pyramid is on the dollar bill. Do they make a connection? NO! Because they don't want to.

Do you know why Hitler started to round up Jehovah's witnesses during WWII? Was it because they insisted on being conscientious objectors? Was it because they refused blood transfusions? No! It was because they were linked with the Jewish Illuminati! But why? Well, remember when Rusell was bragging about how no one is asked for contributions because some rich benefactor was funding everything? Well, guess who was funding the organization at the time? The Jews! And what was part of Russell's campaign? ZIONISM! Remember? "Zion's Watchtower"! Fine the WTS was promoting Zionism, but the were also being funded by Zionists. Hitler couldn't trust this connection, so the witnesses were locked up. Now was this done based on some false pretense? Are the witnesses completely innocent of paganism and Freemasonry?

You DECIDE:

Russell pyramid sundisk pyramid

What does Christmas have to do with Christ? Was does Easter have to do with Christ? Well what do pyramids have to do with Christ?

Why was Russell so into ZIONISM? Who was funding his organization and work in the beginning?

Freemasons use cryptic artwork to communicate. Do you see any cryptic images in the artwork below that you think the WTS didn't intend to put in there? Is this just some artwork fluke that got published without anybody noticing?

faceinhand

Show this to the average devoted JWs, and they will start making excuses.

Some people don't see, because they don't want to see. They choose "selective ignorance", like a wife who knows her husband is probably cheating, but she does everything she can to avoid finding out for sure. She suspects, but she doesn't want to KNOW.

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Jesus didn't care about chronologies and bible knowledge--why should we?

by humbled in

when i read the gospels, i don't find a bunch of numbers.

i loved that jesus talked in a way that left me wide open to respond to god.

"love god with your whole heart, mind, soul and strength and your neighbor as yourself".

Larsinger58

Pterist: I wouldnt trust Pauls opinion on any matter. This is the same guy instead of helping the run away slave in Philemon tells him to go back for more punishment to his chrsitian master. Paul is a Roman stooge just like jesus and his pay your taxes and keep your slaves.

ROFL! Pterist, you remind me of Satan a little. You find fault with every little thing. Nag, nag, nag. All negative. If someone goes to help a rich lady across the street, you'd say they did it in hopes of getting a reward. Or is someone gives a lot of money to charity, you'd say they did it for the tax cut or publicity. Always negative.

Satan blames God for making him so beautiful and that is what caused his downfall. But maybe that is partly relevant. I kind of understand that emotion. If you're really pretty, you have more power than the average person who does not have those looks. Beautiful women get the best offers. They even get worshipped to an extent like in the Miss America and Miss Univese pageants. So beauty complicates things as does wealth. Also people who are very brilliant and educated are respected. We genuflect to doctors and lawyers and judges, those in high position. And, again, anybody with a lot of money get that extra respect.

Now on the universal scale, this is a lot of debate and nit-picking and all that. It's time consuming to go to trial on every issue tht is brought up. So even though Jehovah has allowed a period of time for Satan to influence the world so we could see the result, the bottom line is that all that nit-picking is allowed for a short time. God is simply not going through all that silliness.

So here's the bottom line. The last word to Satan from God is that of a sculpter to a piece of clay. The clay must be molded based on what the sculpter's purpose is. But here Satan is, deciding he wants to be whatever he wants to be and not what the sculpter wants. So what is the result of that? The sculpter throws out that clay. End of story.

So when presented with what developed with Satan, in order to get rid of Satan, legally, and to avoid all the jive complaints and "frivolous lawsuits" just on technicalities, God decided to simply kill off EVERYBODY! Every was sentenced to death from the least of mankind to the greatest of angels, including his only begotten son, Jesus Christ. To get rid of Satan, the angels and the elect and Christ were glad to die. But this shuts Satan up. If an edict from God, the Creator, is that all creatures have a limited lifespan, like an animal or a plant and then must die, what can he say? That is how God designed it. He created things to have a temporary though glorious life and then die. He made his creatures MORTAL.

On the legal side of things, something Satan is an expert at, God was well within his rights to do so. So without judgment or bias or preference, everybody must die once. But guess what? God can bring back anybody he wants after they die. He can bring back his favorites and whomever he wants to. He also does not have to bring back anyone he doesn't want to.

So Satan is like someone in a month-to-month rental condo, who ha a zillion complaints against the landlord and is about to sue him in court for all these little things and tie up the courts for 1000 years in frivolous lawsuits. But, since he is on a month-to-month lease, all the landlord has to do is simply terminate his lease agreement at the end of the month. Then the issues involved with the condo become instantly irrelevant.

You see, without LIFE, there is nothing. In God's universe, life is not a right, but a gift! For those who don't appreciate that and don't want to comply with God's standards, that gift is revoked after a short lifetime. But for those whom God likes, he brings them back after death and grants them eternal life.

What can Satan say? Not a damn thing.

So ultimately, it is really not necessary to take issue with anything Satan has to say or promote or claim or nag about. Satan doesn't even have to be condemned. That's because he, like everybody else including Jesus Christ, are mortal and must die at least once per God's decree. Does God lose out? Well, it's painful to see the death of those he loves, but in the end, since these come back to live forever with him, God gets what he wants.

So you see, free moral agency was very important, giving people and angels a choice. That had its need and value, but only temporarily. After everyone makes their choice, then those making the wrong choice are discontinued. Those making the correct choice are happier than ever.

So back to Paul. You're finding fault with Paul and Christ and the Christians and me. I can see that. But in the end, God will rule and so will I and so does Paul. So it's a POWER THING. Whomever has the most power can do what they want. So you don't like Paul? I suppose that is inevitable. But God likes Paul and that's the end of that.

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Jesus didn't care about chronologies and bible knowledge--why should we?

by humbled in

when i read the gospels, i don't find a bunch of numbers.

i loved that jesus talked in a way that left me wide open to respond to god.

"love god with your whole heart, mind, soul and strength and your neighbor as yourself".

Larsinger58

TEC: You have misread this totally, but this is a wonderful passage regarding details of the 2nd coming!

When Christ returns He also gathers those who belong to Him. . He will come down from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and who are left will be caught up with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. (1Thess 4:16 - 17) Now, I understand how you are interpreting this. But read closely! The dead rise first! Then after the dead rise, they join those still alive. Then all of them together are changed. In that way, no one precedes anyone else to heaven. That was the main point of this reference, which you left off. They knew back then that some would still be alive when Christ returned and many would die and have to be resurrected. So they were wondering just what group might go to heaven first. Paul is simply explaining no group goes to heaven before the other but they all togehter are changed when the time comes... See, you left off the important first part: "15 For this is what we tell YOU by the Lord's word, that we the living who survive to the presence of the Lord shall in no way precede those who have fallen asleep [in death];" Now what do we really learn from this? Well... 1) We learn that everybody is in the flesh at the time they are changed into spiritual bodies together, all at the same time. Thus the resurrection of the elect is back into a physical body. 2) We learn that this resurrection is at a time when Christ is in a spiritual body, that of Michael the archangel and thus still in heaven. But we also know that Christ returns to the earth in the flesh after Satan is kicked out of heaven, who will also be in the earth. Meaning? Meaning that the first resurrection of the elect back into the flesh occurs just before Christ returns to be in the flesh with them! So why wold Christ, after resurrecting the dead elect back into the flesh, return in the flesh as well, if soon everybody would be transformed into spiritual bodies at his 2nd coming? Well, it turns out it is not so soon and it is not at his second coming. What happens is, that Christ while in the flesh along with all his elect, rule in the flesh in the earth for 1000 years while Satan is abyssed. Then Satan is let loose for a short while and then destroyed. Then after that, those still alive are judged and granted eternal life. After that, all the dead, the good and the bad, come back to life in the flesh to be judged. This is the period of time in the Bible called "Judgment Day." The elect serve as judges of all the dead. Then, after the last wicked person is cast into the lake of fire, then death and Hades are destroyed forever as well. Then at that point, when death is no longer a threat to mankind, everyone on the earth being deemed righteous and eligible to live forever, then Christ and the elect all together are changed into their spiritual bodies. Thus the so-called "rapture" does not take place at the time of the second coming, but not until after Judgment Day. DID THIS ACTUALLY HAPPEN? Yes! Now as stated, the 1st resurrection back into the flesh occurs before the 2nd coming. The corrected ancient timeline plus the end of the gentile times in 1947 point to 1992 as the Biblical year of the 2nd coming. So the 1st resurrection should have occurred before then. So where are all the resurrected? Well, just as Christ himself takes up the body of the prodigal son, those resurrected are resurrected within the bodies of modern living ones! 1 Corinthians 15 clearly says that those resurrected are like "seeds" that are planted into bodies. But these bodies are described as "weak" and "corrupt" and "physical." Meaning they are sown back into imperfect bodies. Does that mean Jehovah re-constitutes from graves imperfect bodies to be used by the resurrected? No. The Bible is describing the imperfect state of living elect within whom the dead in Christ are resurrected! Thus they share a modern identity of someone already here. This accomplishes two very important things: 1) It makes the 1st resurrection appropriately invisible to the rest of the world, and 2) It totall eliminates all the time it would take to teach and educate people from the ancient past how to adapt to the modern world. They arrive sharing a modern identity and language and all the knowledge of all the events that happened after their death! So they are instantly ready to be king-priests and judges with zero orientation time! So this is what this passage is saying. It is not saying Christ is coming down to call those in Christ up to heaven at the 2nd coming. That sounds like a great thing to happen if you are one of the elect, but there is much work to be done in the earth before the elect rise up to heaven to sip on pina coladas all day and play dominos! (just a little humor....teehee). They are there to try to save as many humans as possible from Satan's murderous designs. So, TEC, are you sure you're of the elect? You could be possibly. But keep in mind that what is really happening is part of the "new wine" which is something that Christ new the "old wineskins" would not be able to handle, so he doesn't force that new wine into those old wineskins because they old wineskins would burst. But nor does he cast the old wineskins out! So don't give up on Christ. After Armageddon, when it is clear I just happen to be the Christ, all my elect will be on the same page, and you will join me during the 1000-year reign while still on the earth to try to save the rest of the world. Now I was sort of disappointed once I became the Christ that I wouldn't immediately be going up to heaven. We complain about being in these physical bodies. But then why do we get those crowns and all that glory? It's because of the work we do; the self-sacrificing work of serving others and helping others to get life as a benefit of knowing and worshipping God! So after all that work is done during the 1000 years and then during Judgment Day, our crowns and glory in heaven will have been well earned. The more humans we save, the better, right? RIGHT!