Thank you for this information.I read Franz's book in parts a long time ago.I'm going to get it and read it again since this time I'm fading.I never realized how controlling the GB is. No wonder you can't just leave it.
pat1060
JoinedPosts by pat1060
-
49
Ray Franz Views of "Information Control" by WT Society Agree with Hassan
by flipper inhaving read ray franz's " crisis of conscience " 3 years ago -before i read steve hassan's 2 books on mind control - my wife and i thought it would be good to re-read ray's " crisis " book again now that we know more about the workings of " cult mind control".
we just finished chapter 2 and i noticed striking similarities i thought i would share.. notice this quote in " crisis of conscience " on pg.
28 & 29 by franz , " thus numerous factors that are relatively common knowledge in many religious organizations are known only vaguely , if at all, by the vast majority of jehovah's witnesses.
-
-
-
26
When did the new watchtower setup take effect?
by EndofMysteries ini forgot, and doing some comparisions on things, i know this was probably talked about much so the date is probably fresh in someones mind.
.
.
-
-
pat1060
Set up situation??????????
-
-
-
pat1060
Thanks for putting these on here for us to read....
-
33
RECORDED...FROM THE HORSE'S MOUTH, THE GB SAYS APOSTATES HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER.
by whereami inhas anyone heard this nonsense before?
see reinea, this is proof that your masters don't want you "debating" on these god awful forums.
but don't worry they're praying for ya .
-
-
pat1060
They are afraid for any one to read any thing that is going to cause you to start doubting.Just like they don't want any one to read any old literature.Because then you will see all the lies....How did something like that get recorded?
-
-
-
pat1060
FHP: Charges pending; Not alcohol-related... found this on the Drudge Report
-
13
Mass Murder
by cantleave inknowing that most people condemn ethnic cleansing and the extermination of the jews, how do you as a jw's rationalise mass murder by god at armageddon?.
i always had problems reconcilling this and was wondering if anyone really could..
-
-
pat1060
Very well said.
-
13
Mass Murder
by cantleave inknowing that most people condemn ethnic cleansing and the extermination of the jews, how do you as a jw's rationalise mass murder by god at armageddon?.
i always had problems reconcilling this and was wondering if anyone really could..
-
-
pat1060
I have heard people say Jehovah will just let the children and babies fall asleep and not wake up.And that he would cause us not to feel bad when our families and neighbors are all dead.None of that makes any sense.But then they say that is why the last days are lasting so long.The longer they last the more people to die.....
-
7
I'm even finding the ones I like are getting annoying........
by cantleave injust had a friend round for a couple hours, he is our congo secretary, and the wife was tweaking a spreadsheet for the congregation report.
whilst he was here one of the topics that came up was the old urban legend that nasa scientists found that there is a missing day by undertaking some computations regarding the solar system.
apparently one of the other elders heard about this and mentioned it after the fs group this morning.. if you don't know what i am talking about follow this link http://www.snopes.com/religion/lostday.asp.
-
-
pat1060
I think as time goes by and we get more knowledge of the lies and deceit of the "truth"the more we will lose respect for the ones we used to admire.Things are so different to us now,and will continue....
-
49
New "apostate" here! Recent WT study- 'We may ask you to do something that may not understand' (basically- DO IT)
by 20+wastedYRS ini will get to the big shocker that i read within the last year or two in a wt study article, so please bear with me... i am new to this forum and have been reading postings for several days now, and can relate totally to many of the issues that many ex-jw have.
i was raised "around" the truth and although my parents were never "dipped", they wouldn't allow us to celebrate holidays or stand for natl anthem (not that i care now).
so i basically had many of the pressures and stress that witness kids had growing up, but with no spiritual support, as we attended only a handful of meetings while my parents studied when i was 5or6.
-
-
-
49
New "apostate" here! Recent WT study- 'We may ask you to do something that may not understand' (basically- DO IT)
by 20+wastedYRS ini will get to the big shocker that i read within the last year or two in a wt study article, so please bear with me... i am new to this forum and have been reading postings for several days now, and can relate totally to many of the issues that many ex-jw have.
i was raised "around" the truth and although my parents were never "dipped", they wouldn't allow us to celebrate holidays or stand for natl anthem (not that i care now).
so i basically had many of the pressures and stress that witness kids had growing up, but with no spiritual support, as we attended only a handful of meetings while my parents studied when i was 5or6.
-
-
pat1060
Your not full of crap.I remember it.We will find it...