Thank you , TD, I am glad you like my stabs at humour.
Here's a joke:
What do you get when you cross Jehovah's Witness with a Mafia hitman ? Lots of converts.
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Koine Greek and Hebrew
by maputo95 incan anyone on the board here, (not of the gb) read the original manuscripts of the bible in their original languages?
i am reading rc theologian, ian boxall's "the revelation of saint john" in the "black's new testament commentary" seies.
boxall a don of oxford university, includes in his work, a lot of quotes in the original greek.
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Advice on How to Approach JW Friends
by maputo95 inmy best friend has started going back to meetings after a 30 year disassociation with the wtbts.
his main motive is for jehovah to remember and resurrect him on judgement day.
we have played a lot of bible ping-pong both quoting scripture to bolster our opposing position.
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My best friend has started going back to meetings after a 30 year disassociation with the WTBTS. His main motive is for Jehovah to remember and resurrect him on Judgement Day. We have played a lot of Bible ping-pong both quoting scripture to bolster our opposing position. My other respondent below has given me advice below on how I should approach my friend. Please let me know what you think of the advice and how I should interact with my friend.
"Your dialogue with D is interesting. Does anyone have to be right???? Surely God's truth and love will set us all free. We know in our spirit and that's all that counts. God will know us by our love. So who cares who is right or wrong. He just wants us to be right with him. There are many mansions in his kingdom and we are all part of his plan/creation.... So we must all reach out in love and understanding and peace. I remember having many, many conversations with J W's friends of mine...and also S had a lot of friends too...and you just cannot win...they are stubborn in their conviction and quite honestly K, don't waste your time...it's futile...it just makes them more steadfast and gives them more ammunition to argue and 'BELIEVE they are RIGHT". LET GO AND LET GOD." -
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Koine Greek and Hebrew
by maputo95 incan anyone on the board here, (not of the gb) read the original manuscripts of the bible in their original languages?
i am reading rc theologian, ian boxall's "the revelation of saint john" in the "black's new testament commentary" seies.
boxall a don of oxford university, includes in his work, a lot of quotes in the original greek.
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Thank you to all contributors, so far, for their enlightening comments.
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Koine Greek and Hebrew
by maputo95 incan anyone on the board here, (not of the gb) read the original manuscripts of the bible in their original languages?
i am reading rc theologian, ian boxall's "the revelation of saint john" in the "black's new testament commentary" seies.
boxall a don of oxford university, includes in his work, a lot of quotes in the original greek.
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Good point ssn587, the original manuscripts DON'T exist, I should have written "earliest manuscripts in the original languages. Correct me if I'm wrong, but only tiny bits were in Aramaic, a Jewish dialect similar to Arabic, but the bulk of the OT is in Hebrew and the NT is in Greek. But wait, wasn't Hebrew a dead language when Jesus walked the Earth?
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Koine Greek and Hebrew
by maputo95 incan anyone on the board here, (not of the gb) read the original manuscripts of the bible in their original languages?
i am reading rc theologian, ian boxall's "the revelation of saint john" in the "black's new testament commentary" seies.
boxall a don of oxford university, includes in his work, a lot of quotes in the original greek.
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maputo95
Can anyone on the board here, (NOT of the GB) read the original manuscripts of the Bible in their original languages? I am reading RC theologian, Ian Boxall's "The Revelation of Saint John" in the "Black's New Testament Commentary" seies. Boxall a don of Oxford University, includes in his work, a lot of quotes in the original Greek. Is there a way to type in Greek from one's PC keyboard?
Does "Revelation: It's Grand Climaz at Hand!" have any Greek quotes in it?
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JW Pejorative Use of Words to Belittle Others
by maputo95 ina comment to my jw friend on the definition of doctrine and how the wtbts uses the term 'doctrine' pejoratively and mockingly to describe ideas of the people of 'christiandom,' another derogatory word.
can anybody think of other words the jws use to attack people of other persuasions?.
"you have a misunderstood word on 'doctrines' as the bible is full of doctrine written by the men who authored the bible.. see definition of doctrine: a doctrine is a body of teaching and the bible contains a body of teaching.
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Oops, I tripped up and below I'm trying to make clear what I meant below. However, initially and for 400 years there was no New Testament as we know it and the Old Testament was not printed and it was in the hands of leaders of the Church leaders who could read. The faithful were taught orally and this oral teaching has now remained oral or, in part, written down in epistles and gospels
They seem to say the doctrines of oral church tradtion are ‘devilish’ but WHEN some of those oral traditions were written down in various books by the men of the very same church, and accepted as canon by councils of the church then the doctrines expounded within this canon are, according to Rutherford's men, suddenly inspired by God?”
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JW Pejorative Use of Words to Belittle Others
by maputo95 ina comment to my jw friend on the definition of doctrine and how the wtbts uses the term 'doctrine' pejoratively and mockingly to describe ideas of the people of 'christiandom,' another derogatory word.
can anybody think of other words the jws use to attack people of other persuasions?.
"you have a misunderstood word on 'doctrines' as the bible is full of doctrine written by the men who authored the bible.. see definition of doctrine: a doctrine is a body of teaching and the bible contains a body of teaching.
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A comment to my JW friend on the definition of ‘doctrine’ and how the WTBTS uses the term 'doctrine' pejoratively and mockingly to describe ideas of the people of 'christiandom,' another derogatory word. Can anybody think of other words the JWs use to attack people of other persuasions?
"You have a misunderstood word on 'doctrines' as the bible is full of doctrine written by the MEN who authored the bible.
See definition of doctrine: A doctrine is a body of teaching and the Bible contains a body of teaching. The WT has made this neutral term into a pejorative term for their followers. The Bible is also the traditions of Israel written down and again in my opinion, the WT has given the neutral term 'tradition' a sinister connotation. They seem to say the doctrines of oral church tradtion are ‘devilish’ but if some of those oral traditions were written down in various books by the men of the very same church, and accepted as canon by councils of the church then the doctrines expounded within in are suddenly inspired by God?”
Pejorative: having a disparaging, derogatory, or belittling effect or force: the pejorative affix -ling in princeling.
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Top 10 Ways to Offend a Jehovah's Witness
by JimmyPage in1. sing a duet of the national anthem with your gay life partner.
2. smoke a cigarette after donating blood.
3. join the high school football team and have sex with a cheerleader.
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JIMMY PAGE !!!! YOU ROCK!!!!!!!!!
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Dialogue on the Name "Jehovah"
by maputo95 inplease comment on the exchange below, the jw is in blue and i'm in red.
god only has one name jehovah.
(it was removed from the original bible in 7000 places).
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Lol. P Sacramento you have given a pithy and amusing comment!!
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Dialogue on the Name "Jehovah"
by maputo95 inplease comment on the exchange below, the jw is in blue and i'm in red.
god only has one name jehovah.
(it was removed from the original bible in 7000 places).
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Thank you, P Sacramento. What you say is pure orthodox Christianity and true within a biblical framework.
Below is the latest exchange, (me in black;Jw in blue)
The name Jehovah was first recorded from the 13th century C.E. Raymundus Martini [a Spanish monk from the Dominican Order ]. He used it in his book 'Pugeo Fidei' in 1270. Hebrew scholars favor 'Yahweh' as the most likely pronunciation.That is from Aid to Bible Understanding [1971 pgs 884-885]
That is proof enough that Jehovah is not God's name.
How did the name came to be? - [It is a hybrid of the YHWH with vowels added from Adonai {Lord}].
Jehovah is a false name. It is not God's name. The Jews [then and now] didn't dare try to even speak his name. If they ever did, it certainly wasn't Jehovah.
Wrong !!!
God’s name is Jehovah.
The King James version from centuries ago even has it.
have already told you that the K James Bible is MUCH more recent than the Latin Vulgate and has wrongly replaced the tetragrammaton YHWH.
Please explain to me, a seeker after the "Truth" as a "proclaimer of the truth", the connection between YHWH and "Jehovah". Please tell me how Jesus addressed God.
I am not prepared to listen to you telling me that my God’s name Jehovah is false !!!!
I won’t tolerate this ..
Thank you
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