yes, what was the biggest lie that you can think of, that persuaded you to realize that they were not who they said they were ?.
for myself it would have to be the year they picked as the destruction of ancient jerusalem 607 bc.. i have an assumption this was done purposely to coincide correctly with making 1914 an a important pivotal date.
in human history, which by all factual evidence it was not.. unassuming and deceiving manipulation for self marketing purposes.
My gut reaction is to say it's their claim that they represent God, that they are the only true religion, that "Jehovah" is pleased with them, uses them, communicates through them, they're the "faithful and discreet slave", etc.
However all these claims are dependent on the 607->1914 lie, so maybe that is the biggest of them all...
mine is rugby union the sport of kings lol.
the new zealand all blacks.
the hurricanes.
in another thread the question of whether or not the wt$ would "outright lie" was raised.. i happen to believe that they would in a heartbeat, although i agree that their preference is for sneaky misleading statements as opposed to outright lies.
regardless, here's a short list of some of what i consider incontrovertible evidence that yes, the wt$ would outright lie.. .
consider the following statements printed in the wt magazine:.
keyser soze: I agree. And I personally think the WT$ does not believe much of what they print doctrinally: 607, 1914, 1918/19, 144K, blood ban.......
i will get to the big shocker that i read within the last year or two in a wt study article, so please bear with me... i am new to this forum and have been reading postings for several days now, and can relate totally to many of the issues that many ex-jw have.
i was raised "around" the truth and although my parents were never "dipped", they wouldn't allow us to celebrate holidays or stand for natl anthem (not that i care now).
so i basically had many of the pressures and stress that witness kids had growing up, but with no spiritual support, as we attended only a handful of meetings while my parents studied when i was 5or6.
...we must obey Jehovah no matter what he asks us to do.
..."in battle formation"...
...it is so important that we follow the guidance that comes to us through “the faithful and discreet slave”!
As we get nearer to the outbreak of the great tribulation, we may well receive some detailed instructions. Our safe journey through those troublesome days will depend on our keeping in step...
...we may not clearly see why...but we have every reason to trust in Jehovah’s guidance through his faithful channel of communication
Will we prove to be obedient to whatever future urgent direction we may receive from "the faithful steward"?
Gawd, I hope they don't tell them to start killing apostates!
in another thread the question of whether or not the wt$ would "outright lie" was raised.. i happen to believe that they would in a heartbeat, although i agree that their preference is for sneaky misleading statements as opposed to outright lies.
regardless, here's a short list of some of what i consider incontrovertible evidence that yes, the wt$ would outright lie.. .
consider the following statements printed in the wt magazine:.
freydo: so true!
http://144000.110mb.com/index.html.
ok i read this for 2 hours now, rereading it at least 6 times... still don't get it.. i still don't believe in the trinity as god jesus and holy spirit being one.
i am starting to see how the number 144,000 can be symbolic sence the rest of revelation is symbolic.
>> "If you could please can you give me all the scriptures you found where Jesus teaches Hell as a fire place of tormant"
Butterfly, some verses where Jesus speaks of hell in terms the WT$ would consider pagan and God-dishonoring:
If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell. (Matt 18:8-9)
The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Matt 13:41-42)
This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous and throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Matt 13:49-50)
But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell (Matt 5:22)
"The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried. In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.' But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. (Luke 16:22-25)
"And if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around his neck. If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out. And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell. And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, where "'their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.' (Mark 9:42-48)
But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him. (Luke 12:5)
"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. (Matt 25:41-42)
Not all of them, but enough to make the point?
peace
in another thread the question of whether or not the wt$ would "outright lie" was raised.. i happen to believe that they would in a heartbeat, although i agree that their preference is for sneaky misleading statements as opposed to outright lies.
regardless, here's a short list of some of what i consider incontrovertible evidence that yes, the wt$ would outright lie.. .
consider the following statements printed in the wt magazine:.
One more: "Frederick [Franz] was chosen to receive a Rhodes scholarship, qualifying him for admission to Oxford University in England." (proclaimers book, p 111)
Yeah, right.
shedding our seventh day adventist roots regarding death.
Mary said: "since when did Jesus use a 'false doctrine' to make a point? I asked an elder this once and I was given no answer."
I asked Butterflyleia the same question a couple days ago and I was also given no answer... ;)
the oct 2009 kool-aid edition makes this statement:.
but jesus gave his life as an expression of love.
"no one has love greater than this," said jesus, "that someone should surrender his soul in behalf of his friends.
Butterfly, thanks for sharing your opinion. But you didn't answer the question.
You said "there is no comparison" but, with respect, that's a cop out.
To clarify, my question was not 'who do you think loves us more'. My question was really: In light of Jesus' statement at John 15:13, who loves us more?
The fact is that Jesus implied that NO ONE has greater love for us than he does. Do you agree with him? Or was he mistaken?
http://144000.110mb.com/index.html.
ok i read this for 2 hours now, rereading it at least 6 times... still don't get it.. i still don't believe in the trinity as god jesus and holy spirit being one.
i am starting to see how the number 144,000 can be symbolic sence the rest of revelation is symbolic.
