Posts by JCanon

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Do UFO's exist or is this another Cult?

by Witness 007 in

some ufo evidence makes me laugh.

like the nasa out in space pictures which obviously show space junk floating in the atmosphere....cattle mutilations????

why would advanced beings repeatedly do this??

JCanon

Unfortunately, it is a cult. "The Mysteries" , which is a racist cult.

Basically, the UFO's are always supposedly so much smarter than us and actually gave us special knowledge. These are those reptilian "shape-shifters" promoted. Well that just goes back to Satan giving Eve knowledge to make her into a god. So the reptilians are Satanists.

But in a sense, Satan and the wicked angels are ALIENS who are actually here. So anybody who believes in angels believes in aliens. So in that regard, who knows what the demons are up to fake their are from another planet. They pretend to be dead people and lie in that way so why not UFO's?

There are lots of distortions and overlaps.

But it is clear to me some of this has to do with government funding. The Illuminati is desperate for huge cash funding and if someone can sell an alien program to the US government then they will throw money at it. Of course, the perpetrators can then use that as a cover for their own cultic secret society needs.

The SERPENTINE ALIEN THEME is just Satanism though. Worship of Satan as the god/goddess of knowledge, the original serpent in Eden who rebels against God.

JC

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'After sundown'

by The Nothing Man in

could anybody please shed light on this for me.

why did the jews always celebrate 'after sundown'.

why did everything happen 'after sundown'... is it based on the torah alone, or on tradition?

JCanon

Good question, but pay little attention to those who don't know what they are talking about, though it is understandable why there is confusion.

Note, therefore, that there is no symbolic or a minimal symbolic significance to SUNSET in Jewish culture. It is INCIDENTAL to just the SABBATH.

That is, the Jews, like the Egyptians were solar-oriented. So their regular days of the week were counted from NIGHTFALL to NIGHTFALL. That is when they begin their new day. That's why there is all this fuss about trying to determine exactly when that occurs. Some say when three stars can be seen. They used a cloth that was half green and half blue of the same hue of each color. When it was impossible to tell the difference after dusk, then they considered it a new day.

So they thus considered part of the day the remaining sunlight after the sun actually went down. This is reflected by the hours of the day. If the 6th hour was Noon, then the 12th hour was 6 p.m. Hour 1 didn't start until around the time of nightfall at 7 p.m.

Likewise, another huge misconception is that the Jews changed the date at sunset. The did not. They clearly understood the SOLAR CYCLE and applied the CALENDAR DATE to the movement of the sun. Thus, as many will confirm, their "evening" began at noon. That is when the sun began to wane and change course. That is when the sun began to decrease. Sunset was also called "evening". Thus there wree TWO EVENINGS. They broke up their day into periods of "watches" which were 3 hours each. So this period between noon and sunset was a period of two watches, the second watch being simply called "between the two evenings" which is a reference to 3 p.m.

Likewise, as we do, they had two "mornings." One that began at midnight, signaling when the sun changed course and began to increase again, and when the sun actually was seen over the horizon. So very NATURAL observations.

It only gets complex with the SABBATH. The sabbath was special day and it simply began earlier than the regular day. It included the common evening meal, so that the sabbath day began and ended with a common meal. Here you must please note, threfore, that the Jews might begin the sabbath at sundown, but it is not until nightfall that they light that candle that begins the next day. They are very, very, very specific about the separation of the holy and profane. When the official holy day of the sabbath ends and the next day when they can work, begins. But this is NOT at sunset. That candle is lit at the time of nightfall.

So therefore, the Sabbath day is a bit longer than regular days, which are from nightfall to nightfall. The sabbath day is from sunset to nightfall. So this is your rare OPPORTUNITY to ERASE FROM YOUR MIND this "sunset to sunset" concept, which is just erroneous presumption that became an ingrained concept. It's not accurate.

Weekday: Nightfall to nightfall.

Sabbath: Sunset to nightfall.

Preparation: Nightfall to sunset.

Because of the above, clearly, there is no specific symbolic meaning attached to sundown, in my opinion. It's only incidental, and actually an EXCEPTION to their concept of either the weekday beginning at nightfall or the calendar day that begins and ends at midnight.

SUNSET is not as significant as nghtfall or midnight/noon, IMHO as far as symbolic reference.

In that regard, Christ, who is represented by the sun, becomes flesh around the time of the winter solstice, that is about 3 days after the technical solstice. I know paganism and Mithraism recognize the same thing. But if you check Volume 6 of "Studies in the Scriptures" they understood that December 25th was the date of ANNUNCIATION to Mary that she was pregnant. That was the precise "instance" of when the spirit being in heaven that was the Christ actually became flesh. So there is a connection with Christ of the solar cycle. He was born in the fall 9 months later. But he actually BECAME FLESH at the time the visible return of the sun began 3-4 days after the solstice, which occurs on December 21st.

Same thing happened at the second coming in 1992 on December 25-26th. So the instance of when Christ leaves heaven and takes up flesh of mankind again, is in relation to the sun, which I only mention because it underscores as far as Biblical symbolism, a more intellectual cosmological understanding of the solar cycle with respect to the earth's orbit around the sun, and not the rotation of the earth that creates sunsets.

But that's understandable, because, actually, the solstice is a specific relationship between the earth's ORBIT and not ROTATION. Sunset relects ROTATION, not orbit. So the solstice is experienced by everyone on the planet in relation to the sun at the same time. But at any given second someone on the earth is experiencing sunrise or sunset.

I have this saying to flatter friends sometimes that: "You know, the sun doesn't rise until you open your eyes in the morning!" Of course, I don't tell them WHERE it rises! But it's true, because somewhere in that instant, the sun does rise.

So considering that, in the general BIG picture, the sunset/sunrise are not big issues of symbolism that I can see as far as the Bible or even Jewish culture.

Also, even though it has been commented that it might be confusing as far as the Bible is concerned over the solar versus other concepts, it might be detailed and sublte but you can determine from the Bible by comparison precisely all the above I've mentioned. Only some people refuse to accept the obvious because they have their own needs to be fulfilled.

Case in point JWs! Now it is clear that the same night passover is eaten that the Jews left Egypt. They were to celebrate the day/night they left Egypt with a special sabbath. That sabbath day of celebration is the first day of unfermented cakes. Of course, all sabbath days begin at sunset, so the 1st day of unfermented cakes begins at sunset as well, in the "evening." BUT, because the Jews didn't change the date officially until midnight, the 1st day of unfermented cakes is said by the Bible to begin on the 14th in the evening. Though the Jews left Egypt on the 15th of Nisan. But that's only because they left after midnight. But it was the SAME NIGHT as Passover.

But JWs need Jesus to die on Nisan 14th regardless. So to tell them the date changed at midnight is something they refuse to hear. They can't accept it. They need to change the date at sundown so that Jesus dies on Nisan 14th at 3 pm on sundown. This completely ignores that passover is eaten the same day the Jews leave Egypt which makes it a sabbath day. Nisan 14th is a preparation day. Jesus DOES INDEED die on a preparation day, but preparation of Nisan 14th ended at sundown.

Thus the same night passover is eaten is the same 15th night the Jews leave Egypt. That means it was the 15th when Jesus was arrested, plain and simple. It was not a preparation day. Passover is a sabbath day, the 1st day of unfermented cakes. Period. Jews celebrate it that way, but Christians, needing to have Jesus specifically fulfill being the passover lamb have to kill him somehow in some way on the 14th, regardless. That is such a visual fulfillment for them, I understand, but it contradicts all the facts.

Now this is complicated because you have very educated and intellectual persons, knowledgeable persons who comment academically on these things and they can't grasp it either. That is, the REFUSE to face the obvious themselves. The fact is, Passover is eaten on a sabbath day, since that same night is celebrated as a special sabbath related to their leaving Egypt that night. It's sooo simple. But the idea that Jesus died later that week and not that same night simply is something they cannot accept. Combine that with the common focus on Jews beginning their day at "sunset" because of the sabbath, and it is impossible to convince them of anything and they remain CONFUSED.

But now YOU are not confused. You have the goods. You have a good question. I hope this has been helpful.

Cheerio.

JC

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Romans 5:13, 14 Promises No Sickness & Death Before 1,000-Year Reign!

by Observer17 in

to get more details on this amazing info, please check out "salome's" thought-provoking posts found at this link:.

romans 5:13, 14 promises no sickness & death before 1,000-year reign!.

observer.

JCanon

The nation of Israel as the kingdom of priests is a fascinating and complex topic. I would add this though:

Isa 6:13 shows that because of breaking the covenant, the kingdom likened to a tree, would be chopped down, but 10% would remain as a remnant. This harmonizes with the NT that shows "wild olives" of gentiles are grafted into the tree in places where the natural Jews were broken off. Of course, Jehovah dulled the minds of the Jews so they would fail, his original purpose to have a multi-national priesthood anyway.

But having said that, still the ROOT, 10% must be Jews, and 12,000 from each tribe no less. Thus the 144,000 are just 10% of the kingdom of priests, meaning the entire number is 1,440,000. That means essentially 1,296,000 are gentiles. The 144K is the ROOT.

But here's an interesting twist to all that. To fulfill this promise to the Jews, that 12,000 from each tribe would be sealed during the last days into the kingdom, the 12 tribes of Israel have to be in place. This would ordinarily be impossible after their exile and genealogical records were lost, right? So Christ has to not only rebuild the spiritual house when he arrives, but the physical house of Israel as well! The 12 tribes of Israel must be reconstituted to fulfill this prophecy of the 10%, the 144,000 natural Jews as the root, 12,000 from each tribe. HOW?

This is effected by Jesus choosing members from each of the 12 tribes during his own day, those who could prove the lineage, obviously. These would be part of a group of 1st Century Christians who would never die, but survive down to our day, and then say 120-200 years before the second coming (depending on how many chosen from each tribe to survive, obviously), they would marry into the modern population and by the time of the second coming passover in 1993 when the sealing begins, the 12 tribes of Israel would be reestablished to fulfill this prophecy. That is perhaps a million plus descendants from those ancestors from the 1st century for all 12 tribes. If things are "speeded up in its own time" a single person could have over a million descendants in less than 200 years.

So, that Covenant with the Jews for a kingdom of priests is being fulfilled, but it took a miracle. When Jesus said, "some standing here would not die until I arrive" he meant just that. Some would still be alive from the 1st century when he arrived in the 20th century. John and Paul would be two of those chosen to survive.

Regardless, God's word is fulfilled.

On a side note, notice that Christ at the first coming comes through the line of Judah and the royal line of king David. But at the second coming he comes through the line of Joseph. Because the second-coming messiah comes through the line of Joseph, it is fulfilled that all the 12 tribes would bow down to Joseph in the end-times. This works because at the second coming, Jesus takes up the identity and body of the prodigal son, who is also part Ethipian, but obviously also part Egyptian since Joseph's children were half Egyptian. This fulfills a second time, therefore: "Out of Egypt, I called my son." Not that Egyptian and Ethiopian aren't a blur. Etiopians can be Egyptians too.

I, of course, am that person, the black-Egyptian descendant of someone from the 1st Century. I had already seen Paul and John early on just before and after I became the messiah in 1992. But I became curious about my 2000-year old ancestor and turns out I was able to see him when I went to Shreveport in a casino. So I saw him and everything made sense.

But recently I've been on YouTube and discovered, quite interestingly how definitely Jehovah so much wants the human family to all share. The Jews were separate because there needed to be a specific line, but in the end, everybody is even. So guess what? Even though these persons from the 12 tribes in Jesus' day were all Jews from the 12 tribes, apparently, they purposely married into various nations during our times. In other words, say someone from the tribe of Levi who needed to reestablish that tried, went to the Philippines and married someone there, so that that tribe is mixed there. Another married someone Polynesian. Another might have married someone who is East Indian, etc. So that the new, reconstituted 12 tribes of Israel are mixed with specific other nations and groups around the world. So that even though these are descendants from someone Jewish from one of the 12 tribes, they still look international.

So it's quite fascinating the options to fulfill the covenant promise through the Jews and still make it non-racial non-nationalistic.

So that's what is ACTUALLY going on. But I doubt few can comprehend it, especially if they don't believe the Bible. So I guess this is just for those who actually can.

Nice topic!

JC

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Watchtower Study "Valueless Things" Video

by V in

for those of you who arrived late to the watchtower study, the original post is here:.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/158600/1.ashx.

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JCanon

Amazing "V" and soooo on point! Well done! Reflects on the gentle reexamination reasoning we find in "Crisis of Conscience."

I also, of course, think it reflects their fear of me and the JIOR. Particularly that statement about anointed ones claiming they know more than the GB, which is sometimes true. But the Bible says...

1 John 2: 26 These things I write YOU about those who are trying to mislead YOU . 27 And as for YOU , the anointing that YOU received from him remains in YOU , and YOU do not need anyone to be teaching YOU; but, as the anointing from him is teaching YOU about all things, and is true and is no lie, and just as it has taught YOU , remain in union with him.

So you see, the true "anointed" have their own direct knowledge channel from Jehovah. They don't really function well as "students" as much as collaborators. They can come together with pieces of the puzzle that form the whole truth. The WTS, the GB, clearly know other anointed have this insight and there are silent, private doctrinal disputes going on. Those in charge decide what the public, current doctrine is to be but they hide other doctrines in their "subliminal artwork." They know quite well, for instance, that the Bible insinuates not only will Christ return in the flesh, but as a black gay man.

They clearly rationalize away from the truth because there is no public orgaization into which to lead you when you start to follow the truth, and many witnesses feeling the "security" in the intellectual knowledge of the WTS seek to switch organizations on that basis, but can't. You see, that road to life is an INDIVIDUAL one. The broad road leads to destruction.

What Jehovah has done, which is why Harold Camping's message that the "church age" is over, is dismissed any kind of a public organizational recognized religion any more after 1996. Even the COVENANT with the Jews ends at that time. Remember Daniel 9 says to leave the covenant in force until the end of the week. That says that once that week ends, so does the covenant. So a formal organization, is outside of the "charter" of Christianity at this point. Both the Christian and Judeo-Abrahamic covenants EXPIRE in 1996.

But what is comforting, as effective as the WTS double-speak and high-level "Mysteries" influenced mind-control language is, it is ineffective against the truth. Those who stubbornly came into the WTS organization because they loved truth don't blink when the Bible leads them elsewhere. So the WTS, the broad road is led further into darkness and those leaving her come toward the brighter light.

The WTS is now acting on the border of paranoia trying to hold onto its members and to keep their minds shut down. But the carpet I think will be pulled from underneath them. For instance, if NASA and the astronomical community ever really get serious about ancient astronomy issues, it will become evident revisions were indeed made during the Seleucid Period and inevitably the Jewish concepts of the shorter Persian Period will come into fore again and align much better with the Bible than the current expanded Persian Period. Martin Anstey is seen to be far more faithful to the Bible and it's chronology by insisting on 455 BCE as the 1st of Cyrus, than the WTS who are foced to acknowledge the 70-year period of the land paying back its sabbaths, which they tack onto 537 BCE to arrive at their 607 BCE/1914 chronology, ignoring many other issues. If the secular timeline changes on them, that is 539 BCE no longer is the only date for the fall of Babylon then the entire chronology of 1914 will come into question in the secular domain and will automatically cause them to fall, since they have no Biblical basis for independently establishing the 539 BCE dating, especially if the alternative chronology points to 455 BCE as the 1st of Cyrus, which it must.

So, it's just a matter of time. The WTS is encircling its CORE FINANCIAL SUPPORT in the faithful witnesses who now pay for literature themselves up front to cover costs, then ask for donations, which usually end up more than what contributions for the literature was (i.e. is you charged 10 cents each for two magazines originally, now you get at least a dollar or two as a "donation" to help the worldwide preaching work, for magazines the publisher has already paid for!!). That's all it is now, keeping that publishing money income coming in.

The aggressive means now to monitor and control, such as discouraging private meetings among witnesses to discuss the Bible, closing down the Book Study groups, another weakness in the mind-control chain, etc. are desperate measures to maintain control over the weak minded and to sift out opposition.

But as we know, their days are limited and their doom assured. Things are going along quite well as planned. The "rebel anointed" in the JIOR are quite happy whereas the Rich Man (GB) are in torment and paranoid, trying to hold on by any means necessary to their numbers and financial meal ticket.

Thanks, again, V, for a great presentation, as always.

JC

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More Evidence that Jehovah Is a Tyrant

by WTWizard in

i have observed that jehovah god is far from the loving father he portrays himself to be.

stifling my sex drive, and then exploiting it by using it to get me into a cult, hardly qualifies god as being loving.

and neither does continuing to stifle the sex drive after i am trying to leave the cult and quite likely using the hounders to reclaim me as their slave.. i found another web site that any theist should urgently look up before looking into any religion, whether jehovah's witnesses or any other "christian" or islam religion.

JCanon

However, before joining, ask yourself this. Would you want to live forever on a "paradise" Earth, in the New Dark Ages, that is presided by some Almighty Baghead like God?

Interesting perspective.

I must say though, at the end of the day, whatever pros and cons are in place regarding worshipping God, that one third, ONE-THIRD of the angels opted out. I could only surmise many had your same pessimistic view of God, and, of course, blamed God for their own unhappiness.

It's difficult to "judge" when so much is subjective.

Thus, as I've tried to express in another article about how God allows the "wicked" a full life, these "ethical" and "moral" issues that are brought up, accusing God, I seek to minimize totally by placing everything in a biological king of setting, where everything is sort of likened to a PLANT. A plant grows, it blossoms, it seeds, it dies. It has a temporary life.

Same with an animal. It's born, so darling and cute, like a kitten. It lives, it plays, it grows up, has babies then eventually dies. It's just that temporary cycle. But it lacks any moral judgment since in that since, LIFE is a gift, even if temporary.

Therefore, to those who would accuse God of being cruel or evil or anything like that, we (speaking as Jesus Christ) take that hit. That is, we have a position of nolo contendere. We accept your subjective view. If you see God as cruel and evil and a demon, we just have to accept that. But we assert one quality that God has for this type of argument. God has four main qualities. Love, Justice, POWER and wisdom. In this case, we play the POWER card. That is, God can choose to grant temporary lives to all life across the board. He can choose to have all die, therefore. Which he did. ALL die. Even Jesus Christ. So all is fair. Some will think God as being generous for their temporary life and some will complain and claim they wish they were never born at all. That's the PRICE of creating a system of FREE MORAL AGENCY. There is nothing God can do with that but accept that some will not like him.

But during this temporary life God grants to all, he takes notes. And those that he really likes, after their death, he brings back and grants them eternal life. So it's a preference thing.

Basically, those who complain don't tend to get called back.

Unhappy with God. No problem. He's not one to force you to keep living an unhappy life. He gladly will grant you death without return. So everybody is happy in the end. The perfect universe.

JC

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clarification on a topic please.

by bite me in

the topic of generation.

who according is "this generation"?

maybe they better reclass it again because in the bible states:

JCanon

First of all, you do well to actually quote the scriptures when making these detailed comparisons:

MARK 8:12

11 Here the Pharisees came out and started disputing with him, seeking from him a sign from heaven, to put him to the test. 12 So he groaned deeply with his spirit, and said: “Why does this generation seek a sign? Truly I say, No sign will be given to this generation.”

So Jesus was specifically talking about the generation of the pharisees during his day and not the specific generation who would see the signs of the second coming.

Apparently, clearly not related.

Thus "this generation" will also be dependent upon the context in which the statement is made. In the case of Matthew it was in the context of those who would see the final signs at the second coming, a generation of 40 years from 1914-1954 or an 80-year generation from 1914-1994. Mark 8:12 was a reference to those living during the time of Christ who wanted a sign.

JC

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Mormons

by Wordly Andre in

awhile back i saw a map of mormons around the world and there were only 3 churches in africa, and one only since the 1980's the rest were in the early 2000's, i heard it was because mormons think people of dark skin are cursed by god.

is there any truth to that?

what other weird mormon beliefs do you know of?

JCanon

Here is a link connecting Mormons with JWs and the Illuminati:

http://www.cephas-library.com/jw/jw_jw_lds_same_origin.html (Mormons and JWs backed by Illuminati)

JC

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Biblical evidence against 1914

by Kosonen in

in god s holy word the bible you can find evidence that god s kingdom was not established in 1914. and according to the prophecies it will be estblished later in the future.

and we can not calculate the time point.

in acts 1:7 the apostles asked " lord, are you restoring the kingdom to israel at this time?

JCanon

Interesting but understandable. The VAT4956 may be the target of an internet disiformation conspiracy. To keep people from learning, you can try to isolate them from knowledge like the WTS does. If you can't isolate them from knowledge, you can distract them in various ways so that the critical information is never seen, which is almost as effective.

I'm likely over the years the most common reference to the VAT4956, which if considered a threat, could be countered to some extent by putting out voluminous disinformation about the text, which will provide "information" on the topic that is not relible; sort of how some people consider Wikipedia on some topics.

This is very "Illuminati"/Freemasonry kind of smart. It works because it is not likely further inquiry will be made if an initial inquiry makes them feel satisfied about their initial inquiry. They learn false information about something and believe they are informed.

Something similar to this happened when I was researching in Los Angeles. I know some will say I'm "paranoid" or it's a coincidence. But at one point, and still to an extent, JOSEPHUS presents problems for the revised timeline. He inserts the 70-year servitude period, for instance, at the time of the last deportation, thus completely contradicting the NB chronology. So bashing Josephus and discrediting him immediately is an important move, absolutely. At one time, copies of Josephus' writings were at several libraries in the Los Angeles Public Library System. Not that many though. But after a while there were ZERO copies in the system. Now I don't know if the actual copies were removed or if someone decided to remove the reference from the search engine, but it underscores how effective knowledge can be manipulated in a system like the internet or public information systems or universities. If someone doesn't want you to find a certain source, they can either remove that source or just make sure it doesn't come up in any search you do on the topic.

Plus who knows what has been altered or faked or how many fake links are out there. You think you're at some official webpage and its a scam webpage designed to get your private information.

Some of the discussion boards are manipulated as well. When I had AOL I used two different residences and two different sign-ons. When I went to the religious discussion board, I got a different set of posts when I was in the rich white area I lived in than when I was in Compton, which is a predominantly black area. So essentially, someone could make sure that elements from one part of the city didn't get introduced with any ease to other parts of the city. So it wasn't a "world community" of global communication after all. It was still controlled. Lots of people curious about the same thing could easily never hook up with each other if someone in charge didn't wish it.

But the "rebels" fight back. Institutions of propaganda, like the British Museum, for instance, have the power to control knowledge and information because they are going to be around long after some "alarmist" has managed to publish some book that was popular at one time. They have the money to suppress or even just buy up all the copies, like an oil company will get patents on alternative means of fuel with no interest at all in developing those ideas until they've sold their last drop of oil at a high price!

What cultures who are suppressed have done in the past, though, is use ENCRYPTION. That is, to be clever enough to disguise information that can be heard from everyone but understood by others as something additional or specific. In this way, you can still communicate with less direct oppression. It's an old trick. That's why some people talk about "reading between the lines" for some secret reference. It reminds me of one book I came across by a researcher who first agot admitted to the British Museum to examine ancient astronomical texts. He must have discovered and figured out that Xerxes and Artaxerxes were the same king based upon what he found. When he told the curators about that, they promptly threw him out quite rudely. He likely knew it would be difficult to publish is claim openly knowing after 10 or 15 years all his works would be suppressed. So he cleverly hid the information in his book on another topic. You don't get the whole idea unless you read the entire work. But he relates how rude the British Museum was to him. So at least that publication sort of slipped under the wire.

So people have knowledge but they don't want others to have that knowledge or to start thinking. If you have a good argument, like the obvious double-dating in the VAT4956 which has no other purpose but to point to the original chronology, then, of course, it's time to try to suppress information about the VAT4956 or to try to confuscate easily discovering what is written about it. It makes sense it is a target like Josephus is.

So it's all WHACK! These technical issues are not necessary for life or being of the Bride Class, I think it was just ME personally who needed this information so I'm not distracted by all this other false propaganda that is certainly to come out and increase. The British Museum already knows these "issues" and secrets and so I'm not telling them anything new or that some people along the way haven't figured out. It's a matter of keeping it out of the mainstream, using any means possible, and the means are vast indeed. Anything can be done, even editing things others have said, or removing information they don't want people to know, and it would be difficult to track any of that.

So ultimately, when Armageddon comes and we see all those people being killed and we're thinking how cruel Jehovah must be or something for all those dead people, we will know that they are getting killed for many things we haven't seen them doing. They wouldn't be getting killed unless they were actively opposed. They seem nice on the surface but they have their own secret agendas.

JC

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Biblical evidence against 1914

by Kosonen in

in god s holy word the bible you can find evidence that god s kingdom was not established in 1914. and according to the prophecies it will be estblished later in the future.

and we can not calculate the time point.

in acts 1:7 the apostles asked " lord, are you restoring the kingdom to israel at this time?

JCanon

Hi Dig. THANK YOU for that link about the VAT4956. It is incredibly inaccurate. I can't imagine why someone would come up with this, other than knowing most people would not be able to check the facts here. It is so counter-intelligence. Here is what it says, which is nearly unbelievable: This is in no way accurate!!

The VAT4956 is dated to 568 or 511 BCE, year 37 of Nebuchadnezzar only!! It has absolutely nothing to do with 585 BCE, which is year 20 of Nebuchadnezzar in the current chronology. This seems to be a deliberate snow-job type of post where false statements are made to fool those who will just quickly give up any inquiry. But the information is blatantly false. Why a need to connect the 585 BCE eclipse with the VAT4956? I have no idea. You can even tell superficially this is incorrect. It calls year 585 year 31 of Nebuchadnezzar. The current chronology dates year 18 to 587 BCE, a well known reference. As noted, 585 BCE would be year 20, not 31. Plus the text itself specifically is dated to year 37.

But maybe this is counter-intelligence at work. Maybe all my posts on the VAT4956 that come up with search engines need these type of fake texts to detract from my discussions about the double-dating in the text!! If you read this and didn't know how to find any original, reliable information on the VAT4956, what would you have to counter it?

So maybe, since the VAT4956 is central and preemptive of the current timeline, part of a counter-intelligence plan for disinformation is to snow-job the search engines with ridiculous, inaccurate information like this. It works too! 90% of the people will forget about the research, thinking they know about the text, long before seeing any hits for any double-dating or Sachs/Hunger misrepresenting about what's in the text. It's not hard to do.

But at least if that is what is going on, it proves what some are afraid of.

But at the same time, I use the same counter-intelligence. All my research is on the internet but you have to know how to SEARCH for it. If your search is disingenuous, you won't find anything. If you're looking for the right things, asking the right questions, then you'll find lots. The VAT4956 is to central so it's being snow-jobbed. At least that is my thought. It is effective because it will trip up 90% of the first inquirers. It's very Freemason. Plus its super difficult to actually find a copy on the net of the text of the VAT4956, as famous and central as this text is!!! Just discussing the errors here alone will take extra time, and people don't have that much time! So mixed emotions on this reference. Thanks.

VAT 4956
This is a cuneiform tablet containing information about astrological events, amongst them a solar eclipse we have identified as happening 28th May 585 BC. This was visible in Babylon and over large parts of the east. This makes the year 585 BC into a cardinal year, a year we know with absolute certainty. And VAT 4956 tells us that this happened in the 31th year of Nebuchadrezzar. This particular eclipse seems to be the most famous in the antique:
What is probably the most famous eclipse of ancient times ended a five-year war between the Lydians and the Medes. These two Middle Eastern armies were locked in battle when "the day was turned into night." The sight of this total solar eclipse (the date is fixed as May 28, 585 B.C.) was startling enough to cause both nations to stop fighting at once. They agreed to a peace treaty and cemented the bond with a double marriage. The eclipse was predicted by Thales, the celebrated Greek astronomer and philosopher, but the prediction was probably not known to the warring nations.

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Biblical evidence against 1914

by Kosonen in

in god s holy word the bible you can find evidence that god s kingdom was not established in 1914. and according to the prophecies it will be estblished later in the future.

and we can not calculate the time point.

in acts 1:7 the apostles asked " lord, are you restoring the kingdom to israel at this time?

JCanon

What is a "BTG"? And what attack on religion are you talking about? Do you think one of the worlds strongest nation (United States) who represent themselves as a "christian" nation would turn on religion? The United Nations is an organization of Peace, so how are they the ones that cause massive destruction? Did not the United States defy the United Nations and attack Iraq anyway?

Sure. If the circumstances warrant it. Look what they did in Texas? The only thing keeping the law from shutting down religion is an accusation of crime. If they are seen as being used for world terrorism or facilitating some other conspiracy, then the government will have a legal right to shut them down. Right now the WTS and the Catholic Church are considered arms of the "Illuminati" who use religion to carry out covert operations.

JWs were persecuted by Germans not because of their beliefs but because they were believed to be financed by the Jewish underground. Our first response is to consider this ridiculous, but you can check old newspapers from Russell's time when he first got started and he never, ever collected any money and openly admitted he was being financed by some wealthy backers. In other words, Jews had some covert purpose for an evangelical group with a charismatic leader and they financed him to create a new religion! So who was Russell working for?

http://www.geocities.com/ed_maruyama/russell1911x.JPG (Russell1911 no collection post)

http://www.cephas-library.com/jw/jw_jw_lds_same_origin.html (Mormons and JWs backed by Illuminati)

So while we want to dismiss wild and unfounded accusations, when we do the research, it's not so hard. It's hard to tell people who claim Russell was a Satanist that in no way is that true when he's buried under a Satanistic symbol, the pyramid! The eye on the pyramid is the eye of Satan.

Right now, even though considered biased, the Christian Identity Movement clearly thinks the "Illuminati" run by the Jewish international banking mafia are staging themselves to rule the world and are behind all kinds of terrorism. BTG means "Babylon the Great" which is linked with these secret societies running the UN now, like the CFR, Bilderbergers, Trilateral commission, etc.

As well, per the Bible organizations such as the CIA/FBI are influenced and controlled by BTG as well. So in a severe showdown, if the UN makes organized religion illegal, which doesn't involve challenging individual beliefs, just not giving anyone an opportunity to use religion to exploit business or world affairs or terrorism or whatever, then it is reasonable they could do it. Just imagine the WTS in the place of the polygamist camp! The WTS is considered a cult with charismatic leadership. They are accused of child abuse and other things. IF it is clear they were cooperating with the UN for covert purposes or have been infiltrated by outside companies who use the organization for spying or anything, they could shut the religion down, confiscate their money. That's not stopping "freedom of religion" just freedom of getting a free ride from the government masked as a religion. So it could happen.

In some countries no religious materials are allowed. Imagine those religions saying the Holocaust is a lie. Once a one-world government starts to make sense and become a necessity, then publicly expressed religion will go by the wayside. People are even now complaining about Christmas and the use of "God" connected with government offices or the courts. And it won't be the first time JWs have been jailed and shut down or their books banned because they were meddling in politics! The WTS was pro-German during WWI! That's why the leaders got thrown into jail!

Plus look at the ECONOMIC SITUATION. America is too dependent upon oil. If there is a severe crisis and control of oil producing countries can be effected if a world-government is set up that has sovereignty over world commerce, then the US will gladly join, rather than fall behind in the economic crisis! Further, the "national debt" is owed to Illuminati banks, so if they turn on the Illuminati, accuse them of world terrorism and drug trafficking like the Christian Identity movement already claims, then those trillions of dollars can be confiscated and the national debt wiped out at the same time. There is a LOT of incentive in an economic crisis to come down on the Illuminati, which apparently is what will happen. Desperate governments with hungry people with no food and with the Illuminati seen as manipulating this crisis in the first place is reason enough to take drastric measures. And since nobody can tell which is a "good religion" or a "bad one" outlawing all of them from being legal companies makes sense. But if you take the money away from organized religion, they cease to exist.

That is why this move by the WTS away from the home Book Studies is suspicious. The WTS is very organized at the Book Study level which could be a threat. That important level of networking will cease to exist by the 1st of the year, then everything can be monitored and controlled by a fewer key people at the congregation level, which is an effective level as well to shut down the religion.

You can still believe whatever you want about God or evolution. You just can't incorporate into an organization, which could be seen as a political group. I think the climate is such that this could happen.

JC