Posts by Diogenesister

i have been searching pro and anti arguments for trinity, and found out there are anti-trinitarians who believe jesus did not preexist before his human life.

and i am thinking, it kind of makes sense.

what if yahweh created a second adam.

Dear Spiritualbeauty I know you doing a bit of 'brain workout' only but here are my thoughts : However, Jesus' s pain and suffering was real and I am sure God's, too. If you think about, Adam was created an adult, Jesus was born a baby and grew up as a normal man, I am sure God took care of him all this time and loved him very much, just as human parents do with children.

Which is why blaming adam ( and more so Eve) was so unfair.. he was not a fully rounded man and had not had time to 'evolve' (my pun) in the normal way before being tested..no wonder they were fooled. Wonderofyou is right when he says it is allegory the story of Eden as Adam just means Earth man.

I think in the Bible there is a difference between guaranteed and foreseen. Maybe God foresees if He wants to do this but does not necessarily always does this.

This why philosophers say your Almighty God cannot exsist he cannot

Be all powerful

Be all knowing

Be all good

IF god could see into the future he could not CHANGE it as then he could not have KNOWN the future (because the future he knew is now different) Therefore he cannot be all POWERFUL (can change) AND all KNOWING at the same time.

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Exodus- Ridley Scott film

by Diogenesister in

hi all, any thoughts on the ridley scott film exodus :gods and kings my people?

generally, its more or less as i would envision it.. love the representation of gods spirit/angel as a child of ?10 - great age, they have not lost their innocence but are aware of the dark side of life, question everything are bitingly honest in their assesments and you can often have surprisingly adult conversations with them.

of course in all this they are often very very funny(i may be biased as my kids are this age!!!).

Diogenesister

Yes, thank you Twitch for replying, I think you are right there about the voices. I saw 'The last Temptation' but somehow I think Scott would have portrayed God/spirit as child regardless. I recently saw a film about Jesus 'Killing Jesus'(with arab cast complete with ululations!) again the faithfull getting their knickers in a twist about the lack of 'miricles'.Like Exodus naturalistic portrayal of these events made them look more realistic -(at least these types of film give the nod that these events may have actually taken place!) but this is not popular with the literal minded religous groups.

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An excellent, very civil debate between an atheist and a JW.

by Island Man in

i stumbled upon this video while doing my periodic youtube search of the keyword "jehovah".

in the video a jw (actually two jws, but only one does most of the speaking) debate an atheist.

the atheist is a mild-mannered iranian who at first seems deceptively easy and clueless (i think it has to do with the fact that english is not his first language), but soon proves he's no walkover - calmly, mildly and civilly.

Diogenesister

Wow just wow!! I so like when he said that believing in God is basically the easy option so why wouldn't you belive if you could - a universe that is utterly neutral to your life is bloody hard to deal with as an atheist. I just wish straight away he had mentioned INTENTIONALITY and our ancient need to see intention in things for our own survival as a species. That follows through into seeing a "purpose" in this non exsistant God.

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An excellent, very civil debate between an atheist and a JW.

by Island Man in

i stumbled upon this video while doing my periodic youtube search of the keyword "jehovah".

in the video a jw (actually two jws, but only one does most of the speaking) debate an atheist.

the atheist is a mild-mannered iranian who at first seems deceptively easy and clueless (i think it has to do with the fact that english is not his first language), but soon proves he's no walkover - calmly, mildly and civilly.

Diogenesister

And in some ways you can't help pitying the JW r &f because they have no real chance in these debates - as the wtbs dont allow them to GET THEMSELVES AN EDUCATION that they may at least attempt a rebuttal. Aside from being completely wrong of course too!

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Exodus- Ridley Scott film

by Diogenesister in

hi all, any thoughts on the ridley scott film exodus :gods and kings my people?

generally, its more or less as i would envision it.. love the representation of gods spirit/angel as a child of ?10 - great age, they have not lost their innocence but are aware of the dark side of life, question everything are bitingly honest in their assesments and you can often have surprisingly adult conversations with them.

of course in all this they are often very very funny(i may be biased as my kids are this age!!!).

Diogenesister

Hi all, any thoughts on the Ridley Scott film Exodus :Gods and Kings my people?
Generally, its more or less as I would envision it.
Love the representation of Gods spirit/angel as a child of ?10 - great age, they have not lost their innocence but are aware of the dark side of life, question everything are bitingly HONEST in their assesments and you can often have surprisingly adult conversations with them. Of course in all this they are often very very funny(I may be biased as my kids are this age!!!)
Love it when God makes Moses a cuppa as he chips away at the 10 commandment stones (hopes he remembers the one about not boiling a KID in its MOTHERS MILK!)
I like the dialogue between angel and Moses which begins with the angel noting that Moses often disagrees with God"and yet we are both still here " (moses : taps away at stones and nods sagely)This fits with the jewish perception of their "struggle"with God and that Satan is an 'employee'of God,
Angel/God gives him option not to continue with stones if he doesnt agree that he WILL (at some point )STUMBLE and stones will remain CONSTANT (do you hear that GB, ALL men are sometimes WRONG and cannot be relied on to LEAD ABSOLUTELY)
Like bit were sea is about to crash down on Ramses and Moses and he offers his hand to HIS BROTHER ..."come with us, you won't make it back" ie moses FORGIVES Ramses and wants to become an Isrealite..more realistic than the black and white GOOD /BAD you are light or dark thinking of GB and their ilk
LOVE Moses knocking on his Midianite missis door (hear that Phinehas you plonker ....) with the whole tribe outside ..,"Er..,brought some mates to stay s'alright innit?!! Would love to hear anyone else's take on't!??

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Why would Jehovah and Jesus talk to Satan?

by hardtobeme in

if satan is the greatest apostate there is, why he was allowed to be in heaven?

job chapters 1 and 2 says that jehovah talked to him.

wasn't jehovah supposed to shun his son and set an example to all parents?.

Diogenesister

Kaik. You are so right ... surely the jews know THEIR OWN BOOKS the satan IS considered an employee of God, (early on likely a lesser God as the old books are polytheistic and were redacted )

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Bible History

by bitsnbobs in

hi all,i left the org in the late 90s.

not because of beliefs or the 1914/generation fiasco.

just thoughtlessness, hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance.

Diogenesister

Theres a great documentary Isreal Finklestein has made too based on the bible unearthed. Just google it. These guys are basically saying there was no exodus and that thr caananites and Isrealites are one and the same. Obviously the right wing Isreali extremists do not like this, its a political hot potato to say the least. Please let us know what you know about genisis 3.15...

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Why would Jehovah and Jesus talk to Satan?

by hardtobeme in

if satan is the greatest apostate there is, why he was allowed to be in heaven?

job chapters 1 and 2 says that jehovah talked to him.

wasn't jehovah supposed to shun his son and set an example to all parents?.

Diogenesister

Too right Steve2. Talking snake my arse. Btw doesnt even mention satan, no concept of him till later collation/redaction of bible in babylon...in line with their myths.