Back in the 70's and 80's, in England at least, it was definately not allowed due to Math 5.33 -37 . OToole also denied knowledge of theocratic warfare. Now maybe I am a typical super gullible ex JW but I have the feeling that these ivory tower high up's don't have study the mag's like the r&f do, hence once baptised they quickly loose touch with all the current doctrinal minutae . I can't think of any other reason except blatant deception.
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ROYAL COMMISSION: ARE JWS TAUGHT TO REFRAIN FROM SWEARING ON THE BIBLE OR NOT? JW.ORG PLEASE EXPLAIN!
by steve2 induring yesterday's rc proceedings (wednesday 5th august 2015), one of the victim's lawyers questioned mr vincent toole, the jw organization's legal counsel for the australian branch office.
she asked him why at least two of the jw elders who gave evidence last week refused to swear on the bible.
mr toole appear puzzled by her question and said he did not know.
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If Jackson is not available due to compassionate reasons, can other GB member take his place?
by Viva la Vida ini would think the only christian organization on this planet would be more than willingly send another gb member to australia in order to answer rcs questions, taking the place of jackson who is taking care of his ill farther.
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if someone should show compassion to jackson those are his gb pals.
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And, unlike what Watchtower's attorney has said, there is a caveat to Watchtower's Theocratic War Strategy doctrine having to do with testimony given under oath. Under Watchtower doctrine once a JW places him or herself under a sworn oath to tell the truth then WHATEVER they say has to be true. To put it another way, once a JW places him or herself under a sworn oath to tell the truth Watchtower doctrine forbids them from offering deceptive testimony.
How will tool O'Toole get away with denying he was aware of the concept of theocratic warfare UNDER OATH. Will he now be disfellowshipped for lying? I believe there were more than two witnesses! Let's get up a posse for the JC! Yeha!
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Royal Commission 'affirmation' before giving evidence.
by Esse quam videri inrepeat after me,.
" i do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm that the evidence i shall give in the royal commission shall be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
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Many thanks to Simon. This RC Commission is the 'magnum opus'
by Esse quam videri inthis is when all the pieces of the puzzle come together.
many thanks to simon for creating a forum which allows us to get a clear sense of what is happening.
without this forum i would still be wandering in the wilderness.
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RC and comming legislation
by Bill Covert inthe rc put it to spinks that there is comming legislation comming out of these proceedings, of which mandatory reporting, to be worked out.
criminal charges for those in clergy positions failing to make the report.. in the post "contacted by royal commission today" "umbertoecho" stated that she was encouraged to seek compensation for damages.
mulling that post over in my mind i think the rc will legeslate a means that the victims of jehovah witnesses will be able to gain compensation from the watchtower much like the catholics.
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I don't think any of us believed in Dragon-Slayers before this commission, let alone that we would see one in action in our lifetimes. We have hurt long enough.
Like it Dumplin....another gem!
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where there was a conflict between the Bible and science, the Bible would prevail, because all scripture is "inspired by God"
by freemindfade inthought i would put this in its own thread.
it another embarrassing statement from the rc (royal commission not regional convention lol).
it's not even one about abuse, its about the jw's stance on science and the bible.
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My problem with this shit is, in what way is making a sister available to listen to a victim of abuse and make a report subject to the victims wishes and in their words, against any principal in the bible.
(Aside from the fact that women were judges in the Hebrew Scriptures, Junia is named as an apostle in Acts although the JW bible turns a feminine proper noun into a neuter. Not to mention the fact that the same scholars who claim the adultrous woman story is a later addition also claim that 'woman not to speak in church'was also a 3rd 4th century reaction to the increasing visability of women in the Xtrian church)
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Samuel Herd 3 min video - the most misogynistic words I ever heard from a "godly man"
by paradisebeauty inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?t=72&v=9vvqxf9uwu0.
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SO THAT'S HOW HE MANAGED TO WANGLE A PLACE WITH THAT DELUDED GOVERNING BODY. Even Antony Morris III would shy away from saying that shit!
LETS POST THIS ALL OVER YOUTUBE, THEY WILL NEVER GET ANOTHER FEMALE CONVERT AGAIN
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I certainly wouldn't call her an academic in any sense of the word. She is merely a social worker who has some additional qualifications and very little clinical experience. She really is not very bright, has had the wool pulled over her eyes by the dark tower and should have been taken to task for her sickening greed in the face of a faith that puts at huge risk the very souls she ostensibly has done all this "studying"in order to protect.
PULL HERE FOR DOCTORATE IN CHILD PROTECTION ISSUES IN FAITH BASED INSTITUTIONS👇
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boom!
by username injust before the morning adjournment in the australian proceedings the judge played an absolute blinder.. he asked the elder as in deuteronomy would the jehovah's witnesses stone a woman for committing adultery?!
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BOYAKA SHAKA! As we say in Brixton.
Baker was a dead loss though.
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The Silence of the Lambs
by Diogenesister inthe power of the institution must never again be allowed to silence a child.. so says royal commissioner peter maclellan following his time speaking to over 4,000 survivors of sexual abuse within institutions, over half of which were faith based.
we know 1,006 of those took place and were reported to the jehovahs witness organization.
thats some statistic,but my question is what do you guys think the org can or is willing to do to get over the "jehovahs good name is more important than your sufferings" attitude.
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“The power of the institution must never again be allowed to silence a child.”
So says Royal Commissioner Peter MaClellan following his time speaking to over 4,000 survivors of sexual abuse within institutions, over half of which were faith based. We know 1,006 of those took place and were reported to the Jehovahs witness organization. Thats some statistic,but my question is what do you guys think the org can or is willing to do to get over the "Jehovahs good name is more important than your sufferings" attitude. That belief is compounded by the idea that all will be well in the new system so giving in to your woes now shows lack of spiritual strenghth.
While this attitude prevails, witness children will indeed continue to be silenced by the ORG, never mind the problems of the two witness rule.
