Posts by Diogenesister

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1975... the year that keeps on giving.

by silentbuddha in

so i recently moved back to my really really really small hometown in the south.

it was the place that my parents moved to from a major city up north in the early 1970's.

when we lived here times were very tough financially and i was always told that the reason we did not attend meetings was due to the fact that we had no car / no gas for the car / could not afford repairs for the years we were there.

Diogenesister

Fisherman, dear Fishy Show me where in the Bible it says anything about 1914, or 1919 when Watchtower ( or that crook Rutherford) was supposedly chosen by Jesus.

And if you try to bring up Daniel, you do know that Jews consider the book of Daniel as " writings" don't you? With the song of Solomon, it's considered a fictional story, it didn't happen. Not historical at all - by the guys that wrote it.

And they should know. They are the ones that put the books of the OT together, in 300BC. In fact many Jews only consider the Tanakh as sacred. Some historians query when/if the OT was put together at all by ancient Jews.

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Daughter gets fondled -- mother's loving strategy takes back seat

by FatFreek 2005 in

nightmare on elm street.

mother to elder: tiffany, my daughter, shocked me last night.

she told me she was fondled by our hispanic neighbor after she babysat for their children.. elder: that is terrible to hear, sister.

Diogenesister

And the absurd thing is, they are saying the supreme, loving creator of the universe can get HIS good name soiled by the actions of one human??!!

When Judas betrayed Jesus did they say " oh, you gave Jehovah a bad name!!"

When David murdered Bathshebas husband, did they say " oh, you gave Jehovah a bad name"( etc etc for all the bad behaviour in the bible)

No. Its about a human cult worrying they will get found out.

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Name a song title..........

by punkofnice in

replace one word in a song title with the word 'elder/s'.. eg.

the elders are back in town' (boys).

smoke on the elder (water).

Diogenesister

I'm too drunk to Elder

(On second thoughts. Scrub that one!)

65

What is the benifits to living forever?

by Jayk in

can anyone give me a valid reason for it?

growing old is a drag.

the witnesses idea of ever lasting life, that you will come back to your most youthful state is such a bs answer..

Diogenesister

I wouldn't want to live in their idea of paradise, with ruddy Watchtower studies...can you imagine that??? We never used to perceive it like that...Watchtower has got more and more controlling with their pictures of paradise outdoor kingdom hall meetings, and talking about elders being the " princes" of the realm. How puke worthy. No princesses mind you, we were warned. Cult. Cult. Cult.

I thought female subjection was a consequence of sin. That's all out the window matey in the New world!! So there Mr. Garlic bread!!

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Why isn't Lazarus my next-door neighbor?

by return of parakeet in

after looking through doug mason's "ransom" thread, i noticed a little discrepancy between dub doctrine and the bible; i.e.

lazarus.. if the wages of sin is death, lazarus paid the wages in full by dying, and when resurrected by jesus, he should then have been a "perfect" man.

after all, he paid his wages for his imperfection -- he died.

Diogenesister

I'm not 100% sure it's got anything to do with Jesus. Has it?

As far as I know the wages of sin being death, and having paid for your sin, you should in theory be perfect is an old testament idea, before they'd even come up with the idea of a redeemer who would be killed to pay for the sins of all.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think our fully formed idea of jesus is really there initially. Debate anyone? Maybe @David_Jay would be able to tell us more?

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My Cognitive Dissonance is Eating Me Alive (Intro Post)

by pometerre21 in

jw
friends

i've been lurking here for a couple of weeks now.

i'm starting to "awaken" and it is all that has been occupying my mind.

i've always, always had doubts, some of which i expressed to family members who always had the same replies:.

Diogenesister

Here's another fantastic one called " punishing doubt". I'd also highly recommend watching Leah Rimini's series on Scientology. I know it seems far fetched at first, but you might find they have a lot of similarities to Jehovahs Witnesses.

You mention educated people in Watchtower. Hopefully the above video helped you understand that very intelligent people can become prey to undue influence or high control groups. Anyway this one may help you feel better about questioning your Faith, or in fact anything.

https://youtu.be/bdTZBVlg3nI

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My Cognitive Dissonance is Eating Me Alive (Intro Post)

by pometerre21 in

jw
friends

i've been lurking here for a couple of weeks now.

i'm starting to "awaken" and it is all that has been occupying my mind.

i've always, always had doubts, some of which i expressed to family members who always had the same replies:.

Diogenesister

Welcome to the forum!

I know it is all so utterly overwhelming. But take your time, if you honestly have questions, how can any loving father condemn you for wanting to find answers? Remember, JW leaders are only other people, don't conflate God with a man made organization. But before you need to get into doctrine ( and for that I recommend jwfacts.com, the lovely, truly humble Paul Grundy only uses Wtbts publications, so you don't have to feel anxious.

Away from doctrine, please please have a look at this amazing video by Theramin Trees, in fact all his videos are fantastic, but first please look at this one. He is qualified in psychology and philosophy ( which I highly recommend studying if you can, however basic)

https://youtu.be/IaUhR-tRkHY

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Crises of Conscience latest, plus : a solution for reading it legally, courtesy of u/ziddina

by Diogenesister in

recently, someone who knows deborah drexler, the current copyright holder of cofc, asked her if she will consider having it published again.

her response was:.

" i will have to ask jesus"!!!!!.

Diogenesister

Sorry DeeGee, it is indeed Deborah Dykstra.This is the person to whom I referred. My mistake with the spelling.

She has not left updates on the commentary press site for some time, neither does She respond to queries - often from those of us who have donated money toward helping her to publish Crisis of Con.

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Crises of Conscience latest, plus : a solution for reading it legally, courtesy of u/ziddina

by Diogenesister in

recently, someone who knows deborah drexler, the current copyright holder of cofc, asked her if she will consider having it published again.

her response was:.

" i will have to ask jesus"!!!!!.

Diogenesister

Steve 2It is also frustrating that posts almost always rely on second- or third hand accounts ("...someone who knows Deborah Drexler...").

Hi Steve. I can tell you it was Jim Penton who spoke with her, he told Lloyd Evans what she said. So these are very credible sources whom I trust 100%. Your frustration is understandable as we've had these second hand accounts about it for so long.There is absolutely nothing on the website she was using and she does not reply to messages.

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Crises of Conscience latest, plus : a solution for reading it legally, courtesy of u/ziddina

by Diogenesister in

recently, someone who knows deborah drexler, the current copyright holder of cofc, asked her if she will consider having it published again.

her response was:.

" i will have to ask jesus"!!!!!.

Diogenesister

Recently, someone who knows Deborah Drexler, the current copyright holder of CofC, asked her if she will consider having it published again. Her response was:

" I will have to ask Jesus"!!!!!

Make of that what you will.

Personally, I think she feels it's better to have people as believers in the Watchtower, than non-believers out of the Watchtower, but that's just my take. Others think she's just been bought off by Watchtower representatives.

Over on ExJW reddit u/ziddina, a moderator, is doing a review of the whole book, section by section. So this way you get to read the whole book legally, if this is an issue for you.

If it's not, please contact u/wifibandit who definitely will not be offering pdfs in several languages (since as we know, thanks to Kim & Mike Brookes, that is a copyright infringement).