i would like to ask the ex-jws on this site to put their ‘apologists hat’ back on for a moment, so that i can go through the overlapping generation teaching in an attempt to make sense of it.
i apologise if these points have already been addressed on this site.a quick background for the reason for my request… having never confronted a jw apologist on the topic, i recently engaged with a jw regarding the official understanding of a ‘generation’ and unfortunately he didn’t have an answer to the points i was making.
i was left a little confused as to what the official jw response would/should be.so i was hoping that my thoughts below might be considered from an apologist’s perspective.the point in question relates to this section of the watchtower article below from 2008, as well as the jw.org video explanation of the overlapping generation:---:w08 2/15[box on page 25] can we calculate the length of “this generation”?the word “generation” usually refers to people of various ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period or event.
SBF (They could) argue that this is not a central JW doctrine.
Well they certainly couldn’t argue that. Without 1914 the governing body have no authority.
Watchtowers quoted drivel really doesn’t apply because the exodus “generation” referred to is obviously the typical familial generation - in other words that generation were all the children of one man, Jacob, regardless of their ages or when they were born or died.
good rebuttal by the way OP
a new fox poll says biden is up by 12 percentage points.
of course, most other polls say trump will be trounced this time around.. do you think the polls might be right this time?
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The cult of personality and the weighting, within political systems, In favor of wealth is a problem the world over.
But do Americans on the board think these factors are a particular problem in the USA - both conspiring to produce sub standard candidates and handicapping a talented and highly educated nation??
What say you?
we have to get rid of these racist relics.
i propose that we destroy all these bottles of syrups and burn every pancake box !
we need to get rid of anything that reminds us of anything negative concerning slavery.. in boston they decapitated the head of christopher columbus and got rid of his statue.
But hang on....without Christopher Columbus we’d all be living in an African dictatorship, for the most part, or a crowded under resourced Europe. In a Russian oligarchy or a poor Eastern European state, under the Communist Chinese, terrorist i.s.i.s.....or...
I shudder to think, God forbid....that colonialist, white patriarchal hell hole known as Little...I mean Great ....Britain!!
romans 13 ,1-7 contrast with 2 cor.4 : 3-6 ,on the one hand the faithful are to be obedient to the superior authorities ,worldly government ,law enforcement ,etc, as its gods arrangement and to go against it is to go against god ?.
then 2 cor .4 : 3-6 states that the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one satan the devil and if you are obedient to that you are supporting satan`s system of things and going against gods arrangement ?.
what sort of mental gymnastics do you need to acquire to accept both of these scriptures and keep your sanity ?.
Always wondered about that. My take is that either one was inserted sometime in the third century or so?
There's so many like that.
sometimes new situations can provide cover for one’s mistakes or intentions.
for example, suppose that i crack the windshield in my dad’s car one night.
i go home, park the car in its usual spot in the yard, and go to bed without telling my dad because i’m scared and i’m trying to think of a way out of the situation.
They can certainly use the current situation as the excuse for falling numbers, since it’s obvious it’s only a matter of time before theres no choice but to admit to negative growth.
”How can we make converts when we cannot preach?”. However the org manipulates members into fierce competition with each other and in that way gets more service hours/more money/more devotion. Not sure how they will accomplish that when there is no real way to differentiate the elite (pioneers, elders, missionaries) from the dross.
i agree with people who say all lives matter.
i think blm is a racist group.
if white people pushed an agenda saying white lives matter, some people would have a conniption..
We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.I wonder how many mothers were really involved in writing this tripe. No mention of fathers here. It’s sounds like an excuse to me.A lot of black women have had enough of the “ride or die” chic portrayed in the media and by political activists as the best example of how a black women should remain loyal to wastrel men. There are less available black males (dead or prison) statistically for them, yet they are expected to give them undying loyalty that other races of women don’t get pressure to do in their own communities. Not only that, but there have been several recent scandals where black male celebrities have termed dark skinned women as unattractive or ugly. What other group of men publicly criticize women of their own race for looking too much like....well....their own race. Too Chinese or too white.Black women have had enough. They know other races of men find them beautiful and they don’t need this crap anymore.More and more black women are marrying “out” ie finding good men of other races to marry.
i hear this from the leftist idiots all the time.
if someone breaks into your home 6 bullets are enough.
well if its a one of i would argue that i still my need more round for even just one person.
Phoenix rising As far as Australia goes its like an 80 year old lady, every one knows where she lives but no one wants to visit.
That is wrong in so many ways.
By the way Stan was referring to his personal safety, not "bashing" the USA. Your country is beautiful with a fascinating history and I would love to visit but sadly never have.
As to people crying out for your military those days are gone, if you believe your military invades other countries for altruistic reasons you're a fool
Stan doesn't live in "Kahns Londumb" but on a very lovely island with virtually no crime.
I do live in London and haven't heard or seen any crime for donkeys years. I love my city (and my mayor) and it seems you are the one doing the "bashing"
i never had much faith in whatever resurrection was.
what appealed to me about jw doctrines was the rejection of the "it's a mystery" defense of the indefensible.
when i would ask how going into non existence could be reversed when all the atomic parts of who we are had been scattered for thousands of years, the answer was "jehovah can do anything".
Nitty Gritty Don't forget it was the Jews that wanted Jesus gone at all costs, regardless of any miracles or resurrections. After Jesus' death they would have strongly denied any powers that Jesus had, otherwise it would have made them look like slayers of God's son. And they did deny everything Jesus did, and deny it to this day. No one would have wanted it to be written into history, that the man they killed had performed miracles and brought people back from death
Nitty Gritty You said it yourself....no one would want to be known as the people who slayed God son - the man that had raised the dead - no one in their right mind, that is.
And we have no reason to believe ALL of these Jews were mad. So why did they allow his death? Because they DIDNT BELIEVE he was God son, obviously. They obviously thought him a charlatan. Why would you kill the only person in history to raise the dead? The answer is....YOU WOULDNT.
Also, I have to say, the way you describe the spirit sounds exactly like a soul. Sorry but it does. Different word, same concept.
i never had much faith in whatever resurrection was.
what appealed to me about jw doctrines was the rejection of the "it's a mystery" defense of the indefensible.
when i would ask how going into non existence could be reversed when all the atomic parts of who we are had been scattered for thousands of years, the answer was "jehovah can do anything".
Finally, if Jesus was brought back to life, didn't that undo the sacrifice since nothing was really lost?
I've always thought the real sacrifice is Judas. Someone had to betray Jesus. They had to. Otherwise no crucifixion. Judas will never be resurrected - unlike Jesus he'll be dead forever - and has the worst name to boot.
So who made the real sacrifice now? Interestingly, Oscar Wilde wrote an essay about it.
Yes unless you walk into paradise from Armageddon alive, without a soul you're just a copy.
for the record i'm agnostic, never seen any direct evidence of spirits, afterlife, etc.
i've been visiting my mother during this corona ordeal.
a year ago i had a dream i was much older and talking to somebody about how my mom died this year but it was avoidable.
I think the dream was a fear rather than premonition. Dreams are usually fears or wishes.
But I think checking on your mum was no coincidence. Animals know when we are unwell - fits, cancer etc .....and we are animals. We sense something ...perhaps electrical, perhaps you sensed a change in electrical impulses generated by a change in her breathing. Something, anyway. You spend so much time with a mother you are connected on such a deep level, most of which you are unaware of. Just my tuppence worth, anyway. Very glad she is better!
