i have a few jw relatives who are true believers.
by this i mean, they believe with all their heart that 1914 was the beginning of the last days, that this is the last generation, that we are in the very last of the last hour of this system of things, and that you should obey the governing body even if it does not make sense.
all of them are in their 60s and up into their 90s there is nothing you can say or show them to convince them or even cause a small doubt that the wt is not god organization.
MMM Have you noticed that the really committed religious men often wear that solitary pinky ring? It’s like a yell for “creepy-believer-that-doesn’t-really-believe”. It’s not just JWs. It seems to be in all religions. Some church leader gets older and then all of a sudden, out comes a pinky ring.
LOL 🤣 but it’s also because as you get older you put on weight, so your signet rings don’t fit your ring fingers anymore and you have to wear them on your pinky😄
i have a few jw relatives who are true believers.
by this i mean, they believe with all their heart that 1914 was the beginning of the last days, that this is the last generation, that we are in the very last of the last hour of this system of things, and that you should obey the governing body even if it does not make sense.
all of them are in their 60s and up into their 90s there is nothing you can say or show them to convince them or even cause a small doubt that the wt is not god organization.
Pete/Vidiot you’ve also made an interesting distinction between “loyalists” and “believers”.
Believers minds can potentially be changed. Loyalists, less so.
Theres an element of pride in being a loyalist. They identify so strongly with Watchtower; condemning it injures the loyalists pride and damages their self worth.
i have a few jw relatives who are true believers.
by this i mean, they believe with all their heart that 1914 was the beginning of the last days, that this is the last generation, that we are in the very last of the last hour of this system of things, and that you should obey the governing body even if it does not make sense.
all of them are in their 60s and up into their 90s there is nothing you can say or show them to convince them or even cause a small doubt that the wt is not god organization.
P. PETE I think your assessment is pretty much right on the money.
In 20 years Jehovah’s Witnesses will be pretty much a cultural/social club.
The main issues they will have to drop is shunning and the blood issue. Without shunning there is nothing to use against a witness essentially believing/doing whatever they wish. Including blood transplants. Their attitude to child abuse will change due to social pressures. For example today I commented that a woman in a film “looked like a tank” and my kids scolded “oh body shaming! It’s 2021 mum!!”🙄
DOC They have no idea WTF this "overlapping" BS is about. All they know is JW dot ORG and that they are "SPECIAL" and only they will be saved and everyone else is "lesser" and will be destroyed and they will inherit all the "booty" left behind.
This too! That feeling of being “special and different” is pretty addictive, as is the concept of the paradise (unless you think it through a bit, that is).
Remember, too, there is no pressure to carry out charitable acts, either financial or in the Christian sense of serving ones community. It’s an utterly self centred religion with very little giving.
The superficiality of the faith, the social club and Watchtowers bank balance will keep the org afloat for a while yet.
someone i know from england is a nurse.
she told me there was an outbreak at the hospital and she got the virus after being vaccinated.
she said she was told it probably would have been much worse for her had she not gotten vaccinated.
Did she get sick or did she test positive? If you have the vaccine, you can still test positive since the tests detect even inactive portions of the virus in your nasal tract and you will definitely test positive with a blood test since the blood test measures whether your immune cells can fight a sample of the virus.
That’s correct Annonymous.
They also want folks who’ve been vaccinated to continue to protect others with social distancing, hand washing etc until the stage 4 data comes in, since they’re not 100% sure you can’t pass on the virus once vaccinated. They believe you can’t but they need the stage 4 data to be sure.
so women who are of the anointed will be changed to male?
i know it says there are neither male nor female in heaven but they are never depicted as women always male gender.
so does the cult believe in the transgender crap?.
ShotwhiletryingToEscape! must be tough for these poor little kids.
Yes I’m really sorry, particularly for kids who grow up in places where medicine isn’t available and intersex kids who’ve gone through a male puberty with YXX chromosomes are raised female. Then when they excel at sports and it’s discovered, they are labelled as “cheats”.
MBC So does the cult believe in the transgender crap?
Nah....just anointed women who will change into male Kenny Rogers clones!!!
Dubstepped
Jesus said, "Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of Heaven."
Dude I can’t believe what you found!! No wonder this scripture didn’t make it into the final cut!!
Anony Mous: I think for a long time they actually held that women could not be anointed.
Earnest I have no reason to believe that is true. Can you provide any support for this assertion?
Earnest I think you’re right, they’ve always believed women had a heavenly hope, because in Russell’s time they all did. They even had women directors/Trustees of the Watchtower Corp. If anything they’ve become more hardline in their attitude to women...a hangover of the misogyny of Rutherford, Knorr and Franz.
someone i know from england is a nurse.
she told me there was an outbreak at the hospital and she got the virus after being vaccinated.
she said she was told it probably would have been much worse for her had she not gotten vaccinated.
Well she obviously hasn’t been paying attention because we absolutely were told by the Government quite clearly in the UK that in order to save lives and protect the NHS
1. initially we will be given one shot.
2. That it’s possible to catch COVID after only one shot
BUT
3. research has shown one shot will protect you from more serious illness, hospitalisation and death
The primary aim was to protect the NHS for the last few weeks. Stage 3 Data showed only one (Pfizer) patient was admitted to hospital with zero deaths following just one vaccination so an emergency policy change was made and, temporarily, initially only one shot will be given with the second a little later than anticipated. This works well with the Oxford AstraZeneca, since the second shot is given a little later than some of the others.
when the “year book” is published online next year, and the number of new baptisms is roughly the same as it always is, how are they going to deny that their new “converts” are nothing more than born-in kids of witnesses or already “captive” family and friends?.
the “billions” of hours of service are at best pointless and ineffective and at worse often fabricated.. what say you?.
It’s is easy to do time these days. Copy, address, stamp. Mail repeat. Easy hours no walking, no knocking, no talking.
It’s perfect for people who are a little anxious, shy or nervous about talking to strangers at the door. I think though, they won’t get much of a response. people are Leary of unsolicited mail and may worry it’s not safe to reply even if they were interested.
On the other hand they have a lot more time on their hands. There’s also sadly more folks who are suffering from job loss, fears about health or bereavement, too, so who knows? The numbers for next year will be interesting.
i have now prepared my study that deals with the literature of the second temple period.. this period runs from the return of exiles from babylon through to the gospels, so it includes most of the "books" that later became part of bibles.. the writings of the period include: the pentateuch, second isaiah, ezra/nehemiah/chronicles, 1 enoch, jubilees, maccabees, paul, and the gospels, and much more.. https://www.academia.edu/s/557a8dcee2?source=link or.
https://jwstudies.com/second-temple_period_literature.pdf .
in addition, i have listed all the resources i have located related to the second temple period.. second-temple period: resources:.
Doug there’s so much here to read and I’m really looking forward to digging in!!!
Thank you so much!! I look forward to getting back to you about it (in my dopey way!!😉)
Just to say....I love the Julia Donaldson poem❤️
when the “year book” is published online next year, and the number of new baptisms is roughly the same as it always is, how are they going to deny that their new “converts” are nothing more than born-in kids of witnesses or already “captive” family and friends?.
the “billions” of hours of service are at best pointless and ineffective and at worse often fabricated.. what say you?.
When the “Year Book” is published online next year, and the number of new baptisms is roughly the same as it always is, how are they going to deny that their new “converts” are nothing more than born-in kids of witnesses or already “captive” family and friends?
The “billions” of hours of service are at best pointless and ineffective and at worse often fabricated.
What say you?
made a big mistake of talking about being raised as a jehovah's witness to some old friends and family.
people have told me that i am still a jws even though i've never been baptized.
i'm in school for social services, dealing with student loan debt, and a lot of other debt.
There’s no question in my mind that the pandemic is bringing situations such as this home to roost.
People are thinking about their mortality where normally life would be too busy and they would have considered it rather a morbid subject to dwell upon.To die alone.
We are constantly bombarded with tragedy at the moment and it may be the first time many, especially younger, folks have genuinely considered just what dying entails....will I suffer? Who will be there? Will I leave a legacy? Will anyone even care???
Isolation is really a terrible thing and I think you need to reach out to someone Joilette. I don’t know what kind of a lockdown you have where you live but I really caution you to maybe wait until things get back to some kind of normality before you do something you may live to regret.😥
