Diogenesister

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  Snakes walked on legs till the Eden curse Watchtower belief till 1974!!

  by Witness 007 in

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  watchtower 1964 page 352 "....before god cursed it the snake had legs that elevated it off the ground.

  god transformed its body so that it ceased to have legs and could move on its belly.".

  book "gods eternal purpose"1974 - "god did not put a curse on the whole serpent family...it had only been victimised by satan...".

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  Joeyjojo Hasn't God been having a rest day since the creation of Eve. Wouldn't any change made to the physical world since then by God constitute breaking his own law of the sabbath, of which he is supposed to represent the perfect example?

  Yup. There's lots of examples of God interfering with free will but this is the first one where he actually does some physical tinkering!

  ACTFTU Anyway, look up the biology of the Boa and the Python and you'll see some weird facts.

  Oh wow! ACTFTU

  Google: "Pythons and boa constrictors have tiny hind leg bones buried in muscles toward their tail ends. Such features, either useless or poorly suited to performing specific tasks, are described as vestigial. They are also intriguing evidence of the evolutionary histories of species".
  
  
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  New WT on "Hate" is actually a little bit based

  by neat blue dog in

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  the new public wt on hate, especially racial hate just came out and seeing as how left-leaning the org is in regards to so many non-sexual things (like mandates and lockdowns, guns, war, patriotism, freedom of thought and speech, climate change, etc.

  ) i was fully expecting the magazine to lean into the media lies of black victimhood, etc.

  however was pleasantly surprised to see a few valid thoughts, such as this opening image of everything seemingly being blamed on the white man.. .

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  Ha!! Actually I'm totally NOT surprised, since as old white men they naturally are going to feel aggravated that everything gets blamed on the "Whyte man" (as people write on social media to avoid being picked up by algorithms). Not saying I disagree, here, just that they only have empathy for people like themselves*....so...why be surprised?

  *They Also own lots of property so, again, particularly not going to like vandalism, even aside from their supposed non violent stance.
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  Did the apostle Paul, Priscilla and Aquila sell their tents to the Roman army?

  by hoser in

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  2. bible

  apparently they made leather tents for the roman army.

  i had searched this site but i couldn’t find that this topic had been discussed yet.

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  Watchtower will probably claim the tents where for worship gatherings! For example tents for Jewish temples in the deserts and now Christian meeting places. Or for travelling merchants. Anything but the army, of course, the most obvious market!

  I too used to ponder Cornelius being baptised, when I was a JW.

  Neat Blue dog That scripture shows Watchtower doctrine really does not make sense - their demanding you pass their "test" before you can get baptised!
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  Anthony Morris Mormon background, does anyone here have any more information?

  by raymond frantz in

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  2. scandals

  do you have any information on tony's family history and mormon background?.

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  I thought he was from the Philip Morris tobacco family, not Mormon.

  No that's a myth. His little brag that his family is wealthy was just that - a very odd brag. His family background is very modest. No relation to the fag company whatsoever.
  
  
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  McFree v. Watchtower!

  by Atlantis in

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  2. friends

  mcfree v. watchtower.

  a us federal judge has ruled against watch tower pennsylvania, denying their dmca subpoena to identify the creator of the jehovah's witness parody videos known as "dubtown.. .

  see last page (page 20).

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  would imagine that the Watchtower has its own internal means of discovering the identity of Kevin McFee if they so wished. He uses his voice and I think his child's voice as well.

  Just to say he's not a JW anymore and I don't think he has been for some time. I believe he simply has an elderly relative he doesn't wish to "complicate" things for. That person cannot shun him - but he knows the witnesses would simply be unpleasant to them and soft shun that person merely for being related.

  Aren't they such a lovely bunch?!!

  Great news, our kev!!
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  Tennis Controversy in Australia

  by smiddy3 in

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  apr 20, 2020. novak djokovic sparks a backlash after publicly opposing the covid-19 vaccine.

  he says: “personally, i am opposed to vaccination, and i wouldn’t want to be forced by someone to take a vaccine in order to be able to travel.”.

  asked by sky news australia anchor danica de giorgio why djokovic was granted the visa in the first place, the home affairs minister said: “they’re entirely separate processes”.. “to gain entry to australia you need both – you actually need the visa, which is determined quite separately, and then you have to meet the entry requirements,” she said.. “i know that people are putting the two issues together, but the visa application process and the granting of a visa is very separate to the additional entry requirements that every traveller needs to meet to be able to enter australia.”.

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  Joey jojo, not sure where your stats come from. I watch sport a lot and I have never seen a fit sportman/woman drop from cardiac arrest until recently. One of the announcers commented on one case. He had been in broadcasting for twenty years and had never seen anything like it.

  It has definitely happened in the UK way before Covid, tragically to a couple of young, fit footballers.

  This one eg https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-58462925.amp
  
  
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  Door to door again?

  by Zeds Dead in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  do you think the jdubs will start up the door whacking again one day?.

  there has to be many inside the org that are dreading having to do that again and as for the general public seeing this, it’s hard to imagine.

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  • well if they intend to go door to door any time soon they'll have to do it without the Awake & Watchtower magazines...last I heard they had to stop production for several months...Why?...Who in the hale knows

    That means they'll have to.....Gasp!......use the Bible!!

    I think eventually when they do go back the door to door work will just involve leafleting aka leaf-littering. Mainly because public opinion will not want potential virus carriers in their homes. So those low on the food chain will be doing this, higher up your'll get your cart work (they'll invent a new title for this, like pioneer assistant).

    Then I can also see them handing all Bible studies over to pioneers to carry out, for clout and to ensure they get enough hours in.

    By the way, how can they claim JW women cannot teach, when that's precisely what a Bible study is? After all, if you have a student you must also have a teacher, no?🤔
    
    
    
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  What's the job of an elder?

  by asp59 in

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  with the current discussion if someone in his twenties can be elder or not.

  i'm interested in what a elder in jw land really do.

  all speeches already come in video format from headquarters.

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  Excellent piece.

  An elder has become Watchtower Spyware which means anyone can do it.
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  Annual service report - yet another analysis - big trouble for the WTS

  by FFGhost in

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  there's already been a couple of threads on the 2021 report with insightful comments, but i'm vain enough to want to start my own topic with some additional thoughts..... as others on the other thread noted, it's useful to compare the 2021 numbers not only to 2020 but also 2019 (the last non-pandemic report).. there are some really troubling (if you're a wt headquarters guy) news in the latest report.. 1) baptisms plummet.

  2021 - 171,393. baptisms dropped 20% in 2020, and 30% more in 2021. the total drop from 2019 to 2021 is an amazing 44%.. one could argue that without in-person assemblies and conventions you'd expect baptisms to drop.

  but....if someone really wants to get baptized, jws will find a way.

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  Blues Brother I am not so sure that “it has never been easier to count time” . For some maybe but I know devout believing Witnesses who cannot bring themselves to write a letter . Whenever I did it in my dub days I found it incredibly boring and the notion that I was just counting time killed any motivation. Those Witnesses, older ones , admit they have slipped into inactivity. It remains to be seen if they can be reactivated in the future.

  I agree BB. For the real believers, ones who are not solely social witnesses but take their commission seriously, it is hard to get any real time in. This is especially true in countries where uninvited contact by letter is illegal and you are only allowed to telephone people already known to you. It's certainly difficult to get pre pandemic or pioneer-level time in.

  However I do think Watchtower is glad to be using the pandemic as a sort of Trojan horse of an excuse/cover for falling numbers.

  
  
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  The Watchtowers

  by BluesBrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  edit .. i messed up the title, on this touchscreen tablet and now i can’t edit it !

  the title should be “ the watchtower’s (sort of) apology for 1975 ….. sorry.

  january 1st 1976, i remember that day when i heard a radio disc jockey gleefully announce that the world had not ended as jehovah’s witnesses had said it would .

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  I'd love to have a recording of that 1976 DJ ribbing JWs about the failure of their prediction!!!