Sea Breeze that's an excellent piece of analysis and I tend to agree with you. I have some reservations around 12 steps only because some will shun people who relapse and there's an element of policing others. But otherwise everything you said is spot on. I found it very interesting how you describe JW parents as 'shut down' because they're emergency minded...so so true.
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Jane Doh Does an Excellent Rebuttal to 6 Screens of WT
by Newly Enlightened ini thought this needed it's own thread.
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https://youtu.be/d5hmwbiyjwc.
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Jane Doh Does an Excellent Rebuttal to 6 Screens of WT
by Newly Enlightened ini thought this needed it's own thread.
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https://youtu.be/d5hmwbiyjwc.
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I think Jane is basically saying all the Christians who rang up Rick Fearon on the Six Screens were saying Lloyd did this because he's an athiest (sigh) may be wrong.
Funny enough it descended into hilarious dick slinging contest about who was a witness longer, who has more JW relatives and who did more pioneer hours at the end š¤£šit starts at 2:18:17
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New Book - The Reluctant Prostate
by Simon inhey everyone, i'm writing a new book.. it's the entirely fictional story about a character called "roy devons", an obese clown who was kicked out of clown college because he couldn't stop touching himself.
he launches his own youtube channel where he tells the world how wrong and unfunny clowns really are.
the world already knows this, and never really had much todo with clowns anyway, although some other ex-clowns felt like they needed to be reminded regularly of their past lives.. he hits upon the idea of asking for donations to support efforts to convince ex-clowns to get their prostates checked.
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š¤£š¤£š¤£šSimon you're killing me
SBF Remember that Irish guy who wrote a book about how to escape Jehovah's witnesses? Except he made it free?
Then Lloyd got wind of the idea and wrote a cheap Amazon copy himself....and tried to charge people Ā£200 to have him put THEIR story in the back! Then he gave them a special offer of Ā£150 instead when...er ...no one took the marvellous opportunity.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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Iām actually happy to hear that heās āsexually repressedā. Repressed implies thereās something bigger is just waiting to bust out. If this is repressed, I shudder to think of what lies underneath.
š¤£š¤£š¤£I'm dying
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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Where is the evidence he effed children? Send it to the police. But if you haven't got any then you're just an elder at the JC trying to disfellowship him because you don't like him. If anyone actually cared about these children he has alleged f****** they would have reported him to whatever authority that has jurisdiction over a possible paedophile who is still at large, according to you.
Again. For those at the back.
I actually don't care if the Thai girls where a smidge over 18 or five years over 18. It's still exploitative, it's still dangerous, it's still painful, miserable and lonely. There's still violence, addiction and very high risks of their contracting HiV. Whether they catch it at 16 or 21 they are still SHUNNED by their family. It's legal to have sex with a Thai girl at 15....is that ok then? No law broken? I don't have an obsession with age ....it's about power dynamic and the fact many of these girls are forced by criminals.
How do you think, as a woman and ok I'll say it a rape victim, twice actually, it makes me feel him representing young girls like I was???
It's got bugger all to do with 'taking him down' you know fully well he's not going anywhere.
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Where do we go from here, the Lloyd-gate?
by raymond frantz inthe problem is where do we go from here?
lloyd is not going to go away , he has too much to loose(money) neither will his followers go as we have seen the last few days there was hardly a drop to his membership .so what's next?
we will be branded in the same colours and because of him we won't be taken seriously anymore.
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Nathan our Lloyd and saviour š¤£š¤£
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Lloyd Evans is a train wreck.
by mickbobcat ini don't know if someone has already posted this, but lloyd has put up a video talking about his hooking up with hookers.
personally that does not bother me but the way he is handling it is such a god damn train wreck.
this guy is insane..
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NotBlind problem with Cedars (sorry, I still call him that for some reason) is that he's a classic narcissist. Everything has to be about him. Any constructive suggestion is taken as a direct attack on him.
Yes people use the narcissist word a lot but there is the formal diagnosis NPD and I think he definitely has elements of it. I've noticed how he over reacts at the smallest of inconsequential criticism. I used to think it was because witnesses are criticized so much. As MickBobCat says he may be bipolar. There's definitely something going on there. Jofi_wofo I'd love to hear Dr. Grande's take, too!
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Where do we go from here, the Lloyd-gate?
by raymond frantz inthe problem is where do we go from here?
lloyd is not going to go away , he has too much to loose(money) neither will his followers go as we have seen the last few days there was hardly a drop to his membership .so what's next?
we will be branded in the same colours and because of him we won't be taken seriously anymore.
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No one is essential for creating more ex Jehovah's witnesses. Watchtower does a good enough job of that all on its own.
I think people are usually well on their way to waking up when they start watching you tube videos. Frankly most of Lloyds most ardent followers are youngsters who never trully believed it fully anyway, since they grew up with the internet.
Lloyd used to make some well thought out, excellent videos. But recently it's very obviously been about money and quantity rather than quality....such as those silly sushi videos. Quick 5 minute dopamine hits of "why I'm right"for exjws to make 'em feel better. Or people phoning in asking inane questions with equally inane and obvious answers.
The only change for me is I'm planning to make another EXJW Reddit sub but without it being controlled by his devotees - something I'd planned to do for a while. Just a genuinely open sub with minimal moderation and no one getting cancelled....even Lloyd!
I was getting sick of their constant interference. I also wondered why suddenly all the old mods disappeared and we got a bunch of new ones who'd only be subbed for a year or two. If anyone's interested let me know.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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Pete za hut I find it hard to believe anyone here gave LE their money
I did. I gave loads of super chats and was a low level patreon for a while.
(Paraphrased) If you care about victims you wouldn't Speculate or exaggerate wrong doing
You're wrong there. I do care about those Thai girls. Why Thailand? Do these men think these dirt poor women have anything but revulsion in their soul for these men? They don't really have a choice. so many organizations are worried about it and what it's doing to the women there. I expect you pay them a fraction of what you pay in the west. There are more reputable ways - you can go to people in Europe who are not being exploited, are safe, of reasonable age and keep their own money. Not so in Thailand. Just the fact so many are HiV+ ve proves they're not being protected.
(Paraphrase) If people cared they wouldn't create this shit storm
Yes I wish everyone would quietly drop him. Unsubscribe and just watch videos as and when. I think most of the negatives are driven by wanting to respond to the kids blindly defending him, who don't see the rank hypocrisy and blab on about poly Amory and such.
And let's not forget defend Kim and Bob, too! Whose reputation HE is dragging through the mud. Instead of making a brief Twitter post etc he makes a YouTube video because wants the cash and adoration more than his wife's piece of mind.
People want their pound of flesh.
Some do, yes. Rightly so. He's besmirched people's good name and had them blacklisted everywhere. Just one example look at what he did to Marc Latham. That was completely rotten. He also bad mouthed this forum only a couple months ago on YouTube.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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Joey jojo I'll link some academic studies into the sex tourism 'industry' in Thailand and it's horrors.
Funny thing is, one of the worst is that prostitutes are usually SHUNNED by their families.
50 - 70% of prostitutes in Thailand are HiV+ve (leading cause of death in under 50s). When they find out, the brothel owners boot them out and they go back to their villages. Family's make a hut for them away from the village and shun them. If they're lucky when they get sick they bring them food, but mostly they die alone in isolation. What a terrible life.
Lloyd has no self awareness if he critiques sexual abuse and rape but feels no shame at buying into this cruel trade (which btw the women have no control over).