Posts by Diogenesister

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

Diogenesister

t like the idea of hanging my future on a reaction to a negative. (the JW religion)

When I first began participating on this site, I realized there is a formula that is supposed to be followed of leaving, poking fun at the religion, look to science and lastly, become an atheist.

That feels like pressure.

I want to have my own experience - something the JWs do not allow.

I do wish there were more opportunities for friendly discussions about the topic but the folks here that believe in God are pretty quiet and the atheists are as zealous as the JWs

millie210 I agree with you, and although I am someone who has followed that formulae to a tee and am now an athiest I feel very uncomfortable with the fact that thiests are nervous about expressing their views on this forum. I love the idea of you following your own path, thats cool. Thats what we should all be about here - ACCEPTANCE.

I personally am still grieving over Jesus.I really miss him being in my life. I know it seems foolish but there it is.

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Some things need no translation...

by wifibandit in

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Diogenesister

I like that..

The notorious GB...Straight outta Beth-Hell..!!

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C.O.'s Are Perfectly Safe...

by The Searcher in

... until they have fulfilled their role in the org's master plan to sit down with the bodies of elders in the circuits and ascertain which congregations should be merged or consolidated.

this "culling" of k.h.

's will now have to be accelerated - considering the panic to rake in cash.. after the c.o.

Diogenesister

They know! I really think there is a chance the boys at the top know. They have been looking over their information in the Watchtower library and the UN library (lol)not to mention the projections re lawsuits for abuse and the gay marriage laws that will finish them eventually (loose their tax exempt status for both reasons)- and someone with clout has finally persuaded them that it was all a delusion (for Russell & Franze)and a pyramid scheme/book sales turned property development business (Rutherford). That its time to switch off the lights and go home. They dont want a riot or any law suits so they are doing it gently.👏👬 👭

If only.....😒

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Churches in Australia could lose millions in tax breaks under radical national faith register plan

by sherrie11 in

churches and religious organisations would lose millions of dollars in tax breaks, concessions and hand outs under a radical plan to force priests, rabbis and imams to sign up to a national faith register.

under the bold proposal clergy would for the first time be forced to undergo government-specified training and security checks and would be monitored by a national body, or risk losing government funding..

former premier ted baillieu has backed the plan that has been put to federal and state leaders including the prime ministers office, and premier daniel andrews..

Diogenesister

This is a fantastic idea. Can you imagine CO's having lectures in child protection issues, domestic violence, countering hate crimes against minorities & equal rights legislation for gays & women including info on historical abuses & the reasons why all these things are important. Accountability & transparency you name it basically modern, decent "moral"attitudes that are now encoded in our laws! Lessons WITH other faith practioners!!How primative and unloving it will make the JW's look! I am all for educating JW's!!! I think they would have to go for it in order to claim their tax exemption!! Im guessi!g only paid workers like CO 's & branch workers would qualify, maybe elders, can u imagine the lessons...

(teacher)ok folks, now, imagine you are taking part in a charitable work & a child approaches you crying with bruises on the leg & face saying that daddy did it after catching her kissing a photo of "One direction", now what will you do ..mr J.Dub?

mrJ.Dub. Ok im going door 2 door..

teacher: no I said a charity function..

mr J.Dub: We dont do that kind of charity...we show our love through our ministry...

teacher: (sigh)...ok, so ...show your love through your ministry & your response..

mrJ.Dub: Whats the matter little A.Child..whats that daddy hit you? He that Spares the rod is not loving his own flesh...What's that you kissed a boy? A photo..? Pornia!! Pornography no doubt! How exactly did u kiss him, with toungues ..ahem..I mean I you baptised? You are! Good we can institute the loving provision of disfellowshiping & shunning you..

Teacher :....oh mr J Dub..if the father is violent perhaps you could talk to the mother about a place of safety..

Mr J.Dub: oh no, principal of headship ... the wife must be in subjection ...could not possibly go behind mr violent drunk Dads back...

You guys get the picture anyway.I am all for educating the ignorant!!

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America Mass Shooting: 10/1/2015

by adjusted knowledge in

jw
friends

since this will be the norm in america, perhaps we should put a date on each of these topics.

can't really put school mass shooting because too many to choose from.

Diogenesister

Zoos25 minutes ago

I'm in a tough spot on this issue. While I agree with a person's right to own a gun (I own one too), I acknowledge that beer-bellied rednecks and hot-headed idiots bent on saving Amurr'ca with religion, guns and the Republican party are the types of people who (mostly) go buy these deadly tools.

That scares the $#!* out of me.

I have a gun and a licence to open carry. But the only time I carry my gun out of the house is when I go hiking in the mountains. I do that so that I can make sure I never slip to second place on the food chain. There have been several reports of bear attacks in the area I like to explore and, well... I think second place would suck.

There have been some fantastic posts on this thread. Really likeFrazzled ubm & stephen Pinker has got the historical reasons down pat. I would just like to add Zoos that in the uk you would have a gun no problem, "country pursuits"is the main reason folk own guns in the uk & your exploring would definately come under that catagory - I mean noone would expect you to come a bad second going a few rounds with a grizzly!!(well, in the uk you wont find any bears , we have some bad tempered badgers, but you get the principal). So we do in fact have guns in the uk for many of the pursuits mentioned in the gun threads we get after these tragedies, just really strict laws around ownership.

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Mass disassociation pact...

by freemindfade in

any takers?

we can pick a date and pull the plug?

lol .

Diogenesister

GoneAwol17 hours ago

Somewhere we should dedicate it to those early ones that had courage and paid for it. Ray Franz. Barbara Anderson. We owe them a lot. - Freemindfade

If we can fit it all in I love this idea, it really is true we owe them a lot. Intetesting - its kind of a modern sacrifice, they are modern "saints"if you will. Similarly with those such as Oompa, although I didn't know him, I see them as emotionally pure "givers" to humanity😇

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Mass disassociation pact...

by freemindfade in

any takers?

we can pick a date and pull the plug?

lol .

Diogenesister

disposable hero of hypocrisy18 minutes ago

Jump to about page 9 and read from there! There's provision for those who can't disassociate...

Loving provision!

btw love your name DHoH! Rockin'!

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The Borg has given up!!!!

by Crazyguy in

it's become obvious in the last few days that the borg is done, done giving one dime over to the membership of the organization.

they know or have been told that it's a waste of time to spend money trying to recruit new members so their cutting all out lays of money in this regard to the bone.

they will continue to spend money where they can make a prophet, keeping the ones in, not thinking and donating.

Diogenesister

Someone posted recently and accidently spelt 'profit' as 'prophet', dicussing the borg of course. I thought it would be rude to point out the mistake but I thought it was quite apt.

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Overlapping generation pushed me to the brink

by Anator in

jw
friends

hello, i haven't posted for a number of years.

i've been struggling for years of wrestling in my mind regarding the organization.

i guess the big thing for me to push me over the edge is the generation overlapping thingy.

Diogenesister

This is sin of omission. They don't mention what the early Bible Students thought was significant about 1914. Like you said, they predicted Armageddon to break out in 1914. When WWI broke out, they thought they were right. Lol. Funny to think about now. What must they have thought when world conditions settled back down into relativepeace.

This entire organization was founded on false prophecy.

Agree with you, but I would like to add as far as I understand it is that Rutherford didn't decide all of this until 1923 In other words he didn't discern anything in 1914 - they were expecting armaggedon in 1914 & it did not happen.

Russell died disappointed the year after in 1915.

In 1923 Rutherford looked back at the first world war & Russells prophecy failure and made the prediction that the ancient worthies would return in 1925 (Abraham etc) and that that jesus returned invisably in 1914 - I submit that neither of these events happened.

The whole 1914 thing was decided after the fact. Well we can all be wise in hindsight!It hardly makes us prophetic!

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On the realization you will not "live forever"

by problemaddict 2 in

something struck me last week.

i have been dealing with what i can only describe as a fear of death.

i'm not old and not in bad health.

Diogenesister

Crazy SaintB ! Or quickly by having your nuts bitten off by a Laplander?

Remind me not to go to Lapland 😧

I have always liked Graveyards, you can understand why some cultures talk bout going to the ancestors - its a kind of nice idea.

Seeing the little ones',or even those who have not lived a long life the under 60's even, is a hard thing to take. I think that is something I will always rail against, the injustice of it.

I just wanna freeze cyrogenically my head & get taken out once every 100 years to just know WHATS GOING ON! Cant stand the thought of not knowing. I dont mind just being a head , always was a bit head on istic.😝