Posts by Diogenesister

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Paranoia after today's Watchtower

by Truthexplorer in

boy oh boy did i feel paranoid at today's wt.

not only are we to watch our associations outside of the congregation, but also watch our associations 'within' the congregation.

this was emphasised by the wt study conductor.

Diogenesister

Even in the Christian congregation there may be an environment or association that is spiritually not most helpful. Some who recently came out of the world and symbolized their dedication to God by water baptism may tend to bring into the congregation something that still clings to them—a measure of worldliness. Let us remember that it was to a Christian congregation that the apostle Paul wrote: “In my [previous] letter I wrote you to quit mixing in company with fornicators, . . . But now I am writing you to quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man.”—1 Cor. 5:9-11.

This is a damning extract indeed.

Firstly it cruelly & selfishly recommends keeping away from new recruits who may really need Christian love & guidance.

Secondly it proves that disfellowshiping is not scriptural as Paul does not talk about forcing the 'idolator, drunkard,fornicatie, greedy person ' etc out of the cong but rarther to stop socializing closely with such people, actually not even shunning them as JW 's practice (ignoring).

They were busy looking after “orphans and widows in their tribulation”

I've yet to find a JW as individuals or congs who follow the direction of James and the 1st century Christians here.

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Talking with a young elder

by biblexaminer in

i had a discussion with an elder recently.

it was interesting in a macabre sense.

we were outside the kingdom hall on a nice sunny day recently.

Diogenesister

Lieu6 hours ago

Meh, Paul was a bit whiny. "Woe is me in these chains for Christ!" No one wants to hear that all the time. Others were being fed to lions and whatnot. "Me, me, me, me." Besides, he genuinely belonged in chains; after all, he was a murderer.

Gotta remember he was a spoiled rich kid. Who he studied with wasn't cheap & is still revered in the Jewish community today. Also, he was a single Jewish male with Roman citizenship.

/\ /\ /\ oh yeah

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Hello everyone!

by Planetsmashers in

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ive been lurking for a while and finally got around to registering.

about me: i was essentially born in & indoctrinated from youth.

i was always a borderline "bad association" type because i always did the minimum and always disagreed with much of what was taught; even when i was a child.. luckily for me my father was never a jw so i never had to endure the male head pressure.

Diogenesister

Hi Planetsmasher, so glad you are free happy young & healthy now ...most of the time anyway, we all have struggles with out cult selves, I also believe that some people suffer from ptss, especially those exposed to the preassure, guilt & fear as kidd and young people.

Be happy and an example to your neices and nephews & let them know you are there for them - they are still young, there is always hope don't give up!😉

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Confronting Parents About 607 vs 587

by breezy in

just thought i would update you guys since my 1st post last week.i haven't been to the meeting for about 2 weeks now, and maybe have like 1 or 2 hours of service combined within the past 2-3 months.

i obviously get the love bombing from relatives when they don't see you at the hall for a while.

" we missed you at the meeting last week.

Diogenesister

I think the book "The gentile Times Reconsidered "by Carl Olav Jonsson proves using the Bible that the destruction of Jerusalem took place in 586 bce.

Jonsson was an elder who send all his extensive research to the WT. Their response is shocking & telling.

Finky Baby I read somewhere initially Russell landed on 1915 with his calculations which was changed well after WW I to 1914. Am I right in this?

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Jehovah's Witnesses are not Christians. It's impossible.

by DATA-DOG in

good morning.

i was just checking out the forum and something occured to me.

jws simply cannot be christians.

Diogenesister

DD prospective fraternity members enduring a hazing, just for the chance to be a member.

Never a truer word written!

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Any funny stories of when a"brother" giving a talk, said something "funny" or "questionable", and didn't even realize it?

by Dunedain in

there were always all types of speakers in the org.

myself, growing up a "witness", must have heard all types of talks, and given by all manner of speakers, especially on sundays, when almost every week we would get a "visiting" brother giving the public talk.. sometimes, you would have a "great" speaker, all fluent and animated.

other times we would get a comical speaker, one who would maybe purposelly get a few laughs outta the audience.

Diogenesister

Edenone I gather of course their would have been children in the audience. What the heck are these idiots thinking?

I reckon witness kids know more about violence (Bible) , sex crimes (a la my book of bible stories) and generally innapropriate stuff (goofy talks) than most ordinary kids.

Ignoranceisbliss I love those kinds of totally wacky carry ons ! Makes life worth living!

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Talking to Jesus

by Kiana in

hi.. do jehovah's witnesses talk to jesus?.

thanks..

Diogenesister

When I was coming out of the religion and becoming an actual Christian, I felt a strong desire to pray to Jesus, but it felt SO scary to start. I actually asked the Father's permission first, praying that I hoped it was ok. It all seems so silly now!! And no, there's no difference between talking to Jesus and praying to Jesus.

Me too Faye, I did exactly that!

hi, Kiana! Welcome!

JW's pray to Jehovah only, the Father but END their prayers by saying "and this we/I ask in Jesus name, Amen"

As VillageIdiot said they believe Jesus is the ransome sacrifice for only 144,000 anointed persons only,the rest of JW's or the 'great crowd' are to be saved at armaggedon THROUGH ASSOCIATION ONLY with the Anointed (in reality now the Governing Body of the Society)in other words Jesus ransome sacrifice WAS NOT for the majority of JW's but for a small elite group!

JW Facts I did not know that, many thanks for the post!

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Hubby has been doing research on the internet!!!!

by atacrossroads in

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friends

my husband was recently subjected to an intervention by his parents.

i am apparently a danger to his spirituality.

after i stopped attending meetings and went apostate hubby decided to resign as a ms to spend more time with me.

Diogenesister

It's going to be hard not to charge in but you could just stick to the lack of love & as you pointed out the controlling, willing to destroy your marriage behaviour of your respective families. As always JW facts, CofC Ray Franze , pm if u need the download as they have passed away with no kids its free now.

The Searcher on this site has really the best SCRIPTUAL quotes for those questioning from a Biblical perspective. I would seriously recommend his stuff for an unsure Christian.

Really hope this works out for you both. It stinks that the in laws where willing to split you up. You I know will be the bigger more loving one toward them as u know its their cult selves behaving in such a cruel way.

xxxxxx sister D

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Healing the lame - with Science.

by fulltimestudent in

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matthew 15:30. great crowds came to him, bringing the lame, the blind, the crippled, the mute and many others, and laid them at his feet; and he healed them.. whether the above story has any foundation of truth cannot be demonstrated.

and while certain people claim to have had their mobility restored in our times, the fact remains that its a very hit and miss affair.

this is a good time to be alive.

Diogenesister

fulltimestudent I always enjoy your posts but this is great. How true. I've always thought to ask any religous people who denegrate our time "well which century would you like to live in then?"

The other thing that always mildly disgusted me was John 9.6 when jesus spits in mud, mixes it & places it on the mans eyes - I mean surely a supernatural healing would not require that un hygenic act!

All the miracles of healing folk could be cases of confusion or be faked - now if a legless man had grown new legs that would be impressive and in no way ambivelent.

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Sorry for the young folks that don't get 12 inches anymore

by Diogenesister in

just listened to patrice rushen "forget me knots"and it made me think - do you remember the excitement of going to the record shop and getting the 12 inch of your favourite tune?.

i remember halkwind 12 inch silver machine that went on forever!!

or blue monday in the 80's depech mode.

Diogenesister

Shirley Singles are 7 inches, albums are 12 inches but if you liked a record that was a single you bought the extended 12 inch version, all record aficionados worth their salt will have a decent collection of 12 inch singles.

Of course you could also get EP'S which were 12 inch records with maybe 2 or 3 tracks on each side but that you played at 45 rpm like a single, big with punk bands

Having said that it was also a smutty juvenile joke too😀

Giordano LOL sounds like the sort of gal I was mates with!

DHH Love that coloured vinyl!

WIFI B will do😃