Posts by Diogenesister

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Anyone recall someone disfellowshipped for gluttony???

by James Mixon in

gluttony seems to be a sin that jw's like to ignore .there are several scriptures that point out that gluttony is a sin, proverbs 23:20-21 "do not join those who gorge themselves on meat".....also i read somewhere that 1% is the number of disfellowshipped jw's each year......how do prove someone is a glutton and not just a person who love food???

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Diogenesister

Even openly ignoring the doctor's orders to just WALK a little! But, no. Not even that. How does it not hurt their conscience to be up on stage and say "hey everybody! Imitate me! As I imitate JC!"

How does he remain an elder yet not preach? The old school jws , mostly gone or in their 80s and 90s now, stayed remarkably fit in the UK through lots of good old fashioned walking in the ministry. I hear in the states people drive more due to the vast distances. Or is it the case that's a modern phenomenon ?

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boyfriends jehovah witness mom

by whatisthis12 in

my boyfriend is an ex new jehovah witness and today i got a message from one of his friends asking if i could delete a comment he wrote on one of my pictures because my boyfriends mom is harassing him about it.

he also basically told me that she has people who added me just to view my profile and let her know!!!!

she also sends him messages and pictures from the watchtower.

Diogenesister

Sweetie pie you have made your bed now lie in it.

well that's nice of you isn't it? Don't be a git. She probably knew nothing about this whole sorry set up when she started going out with him.

I highly recommend you go to exjwreddit for support. Its a younger crowd and we get many posts like yours.

To be really helpful I would need more info, ie is he disfellowshiped? were you dating before that? Does he believe? Is he being shunned? Has he heard of "undue influence" or the B.I.T.E. model of cult indoctrination?

As a start please you and He check out jwfacts.com to find out what we call ttatt " the truth about the truth".

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The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name

by slimboyfat in

jehovah's witnesses have had to revise their chronology and various doctrinal interpretations due to events and scholarly corrections.

but the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of jehovah's name.. .

i'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of jw events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.

Diogenesister

, you credit JWs with scholarly interest and investment. They have neither. It is enough to be told something is so - and, relievedly for untold numbers of JWs, there the matter is happily left - if it were ever picked over by any of them in the first place.

Meanwhile, among the unscholarly inclined rank and file, a cry is heard, "Anyone for tennis?...wouldn't that be nice."

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In earlier times, chastened by automatic thoughts, I would have said, "We are honoured to have had you among us." Now I exclaim, "Who was that masked stranger?" and sip distractedly on my coffee.

steve2 you are on top form in this thread - you've had me in stitches!!

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What is Ibid?

by Belladonna75 in

hi all, i'm diving deep into historical jw literature research and i keep seeing ibid as a frequently cited source - what is this?

i've tried the old google, but no luck.

does this stand for something (i'm probably missing something incredibly obvious) or have i spent too many hours reading 1930s the golden age magazines and depleted all my electrons already?

Diogenesister

It's as Ding says.

By the way Its something most people learn at uni, so another practical disadvantage witnesses have due to Watchtower policy of no higher education.

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Latest Study Watchtower - JW's NEED to confess to elders

by The Fall Guy in

watchtower november 2017, page 10, paragraph 8 - "today, a christian guilty of serious sin needs to seek the help of congregation elders to recover.

) why is this so important?

first, the arrangement for elders to handle cases of serious sin comes from jehovah, (2nd lie!

Diogenesister

one eye Joe it's also pretty clear that the bit about confessing sins is encouraging a culture of openness and honesty wherein people are up front about things they do wrong and in return they're also willing to be quick to forgiveness.

Absolutely, on a positive note this is one of the types of scriptures that endears even non-believers to the New Testement.

Its spirit is the very opposite of what Watchtower prescribes.

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Latest Study Watchtower - JW's NEED to confess to elders

by The Fall Guy in

watchtower november 2017, page 10, paragraph 8 - "today, a christian guilty of serious sin needs to seek the help of congregation elders to recover.

) why is this so important?

first, the arrangement for elders to handle cases of serious sin comes from jehovah, (2nd lie!

Diogenesister

If an elder is on you about confessing some sin remember what they told me " the New Testament was written for the anointed" so if your not anointed these scriptures don't apply.

Crazy guy Too right! LoL!!!

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Latest Study Watchtower - JW's NEED to confess to elders

by The Fall Guy in

watchtower november 2017, page 10, paragraph 8 - "today, a christian guilty of serious sin needs to seek the help of congregation elders to recover.

) why is this so important?

first, the arrangement for elders to handle cases of serious sin comes from jehovah, (2nd lie!

Diogenesister

Pale.emperor Is right. This scripture is so clearly taking about the literally sick. They also were ignorant enough to believe that sinning caused*literal illness* , hence the bit about sin!! What this is describing is the " laying on of hands".

Due to this forced Catholic confession and the shunning policy, many people are becoming " DOUBLE LIFERS" as its called; and Watchtower doesn't like it!

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Is There Anywhere To Go for an Outed JW elder/pedophile enabler?

by mrmagic in

since the australian royal commission, a lot of jw elders have been outed for either being pedophiles/molesters or for enabling it.

the jw elders who enabled it, are publicly outed to their community online and offline.

it's become a congregational matter with the entire kingdom hall and someone said that this elder would lose his eldership possibly, due to it "being known in the congregation and community" that he enabled child sexual abuse.

Diogenesister

The main info I'm digging at is can an elder who has followed the 2 witness rule , and who is now outed publicly for enabling child sexual abuse be demoted, because it is "known publicly about him"?\

Watchtower has a huge thing about image - someone who has committed a 'sin' can get away with it depending simply on whether this ' sin'is common knowledge or secret, rarther than what is in their heart. Its incredible.

I can completely see the Org demoting elders whose behaviour toward abuse victims is locally known and considered horrific. This despite the fact their unpopular behaviour was directed by the Org itself. Remember an elder must have a reputation ' without spot'.

Confronting abuse victims with their abuser tends to ruin ones reputation....and jworg is *all about the image and not the content.*

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The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name

by slimboyfat in

jehovah's witnesses have had to revise their chronology and various doctrinal interpretations due to events and scholarly corrections.

but the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of jehovah's name.. .

i'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of jw events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.

Diogenesister

Another Slimboyfat troll post. This breathless posturing - " the last days" the groundbreaking Watchtower - oh please.

IAW was used by one break off sect of Jews near the first century.

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Speaking of the 144,000...................

by The Fall Guy in

...........why would an all-powerful christ, whom the bible describes as having been given "all authority", need 144,000 other king/priests as "helpers" to run his universal organization?

(matthew 28:18) .

1 corinthians 15:25 - "for he [not 144,000] must rule as king until god has put all enemies under his feet.".

Diogenesister

why would an all-powerful Christ, whom the Bible describes as having been given "all authority", need 144,000 other king/priests as "helpers" to run his universal organization?

Not to mention the myriads and myriads of angels to do Jesus bidding.

Of course JW's say only the 144,000 can really " understand our human frailties and imperfections".

If Antony Morris 3rd is among them, I very much doubt that!