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  What happens to Bethelites?

  by rickroll in

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  2. beliefs

  so if someone puts their life into serving the cult for free at bethel, then say after 25 or 30 years they are not able to for one reason or another such as illness, or family issue or old age, does the cult have any safety net for these people or is it you serve until you can't and when you can't you just go away?

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  Diogenesister

  This is another legal loophole Watchtower has piggy backed off of.

  This is the reason Bethelites are members of "The worldwide Order of Special Servants". They must take the "vow of poverty" in the same manner Catholic nuns and monks do which excuses the church from making employer national insurance contributions. However it is assumed that the church and the monastic community will care for the ministers in their old age, which has always been the case for mainstream churches. In other words those in regular cloistered communities will neither be a burden to the state NOR left to fend for themselves.

  Watchtower has no such scruples, however!!!

  They do not want to pay employer contributions yet screw every ounce of work out of the bethelites. Then, if they get old or sick or are surplus to requirements, they will be unceremoniously dumped with no unemployment benefit, health insurance or pension.

  Disgusting, like the Federal, local, property and income tax laws they evade (501c 3)by pretending to be a religion that does good works, watchtower yet again sneaks by the government on the coat tails of the mainstream church.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses Announce Plans to Build Giant Media Center

  by iwantoutnow in

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  2. bible

  omg!

  this has to be more of "keeping the flock busy and excited" so as not to notice whats going on.. how did i miss this?????

  the jehovah's witnesses announced plans to build a 1.5 million-square-foot audio-visual production center in upstate new york, two miles away from the witnesses' headquarters in warwick.

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  Hmmm....so if young JWs want to come work at Bethel they've got just about enough time to earn themselves a degree in media studies, film technique & production, coding, art and illustration etc etc

  Put the word out they'll need a first class education to be valuable to Bethel. They don't need any more cleaners, box pushers and waiters anymore.
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  JOKER

  by peacefulpete in

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  2. entertainment

  i don’t think that the world needs that many brooding psychopathic avengers.

  i don’t know that we need any........they’ve lost a lot of their original innocence, and they can’t get that back.

  and, they’re stuck, it seems, in this kind of depressive ghetto of grimness and psychosis.

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  Hi simon may I ask how old your kid is? My boys are 14 and really want to go ( yes I realise it’s a 15 but we all know very few people stick religiously to the censors age range, particularly when it’s not an 18)

  Just wondered if anyone thinks it’s ok for 14 year olds.

  Personally I’m dying to see “Judy”.

  Peaceful Pete I'm guessing “Killing Joke” were named after the comic?
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  Boys pre-teen sexuality / erections.? Why ? If only for procreation ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. social
  2. family

  this has been a bug bear my whole life i think and not really sure how to address it as nobody else ever seems to do so.. and it relates to the question if god really created humans .

  he did a shithouse job in this regard.. i can`t speak for females this is entirely a male thing.

  from my perspective.. male adolescents at a very ,very young age , babies , get erections periodically and it has nothing to do with sexual fantasies ,because they don`t even have an awareness of sex between a male and a female at this time.. and it is second inbuilt nature to masturbate to relieve, get rid of the erection .

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  *sorry Smiddy
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  U.S. Supreme Court Rejects Appeal by Jehovah’s Witnesses

  by annihilator in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  u.s. supreme court rejects appeal by jehovah’s witnesses of 2015 california trial court ordersan diego, ca, october 24, 2019 --(pr.com)-- on october 7, 2019, the u.s. supreme court rejected the petition for writ of certiorari filed by the watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc. (“watchtower”), requesting that the supreme court review a case filed by the zalkin law firm in 2013. in the case of jw v. watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc. et.

  al., the riverside superior court of california awarded the plaintiff, “j.w.,” a judgment of $4,016,152.39 plus interest at 10% per year after terminating watchtower’s defense, because it refused to obey the court’s order to produce files of known child molesters within the jw organization.

  in 2018, the fourth district court of appeal in california upheld that decision.

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  Wannaexit I wonder what the might watchtower will do next!!

  Cough up!😂 :))

  I wish authorities had some way of freezing their assets until they hand over the list. I can't believe it's even legal and they don't arrest the GB for hiding criminals. I guess the issue is these are only hearsay reports. They will assume the people on this list have not been found guilty of these crimes (yet).
  
  
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  Boys pre-teen sexuality / erections.? Why ? If only for procreation ?

  by smiddy3 in

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  this has been a bug bear my whole life i think and not really sure how to address it as nobody else ever seems to do so.. and it relates to the question if god really created humans .

  he did a shithouse job in this regard.. i can`t speak for females this is entirely a male thing.

  from my perspective.. male adolescents at a very ,very young age , babies , get erections periodically and it has nothing to do with sexual fantasies ,because they don`t even have an awareness of sex between a male and a female at this time.. and it is second inbuilt nature to masturbate to relieve, get rid of the erection .

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  Shoddy I had never thought of that.

  You have a lot of insight my friend.

  Also, boys can get erections before they can even produce proper semen.

  And girls menstruate shockingly young to my mind. I was 14 which is even on the later end. Apparently they've done studies and found girls menstruate later when they have a strong father figure in their life. They think it's to stimulate them to reproduce earlier if they only have females around in order to ensure a new male protector in the form of a partner ( obvs from when we were on the Savannah).
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  elders wont pray for someone?

  by AuntBee in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a former member said that elders told a relative of his after she was dfed that they would not be praying for her.

  is that some kind of policy, or were they just doing their own thing in that instance?

  taot.

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  Did you notice in that WT article Blondie posted, it did not even have ONE scripture it could apply to the statement about not praying for DF, sinning or struggling ones?!

  Absolutely about as unChristian as it's possible to get ...if we're talking "principals" there, Watchtower 😡
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  Failed missionary learns to think differently: Daniel Everett

  by Diogenesister in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  "when we go through life thinking we individually have got it all figured out , it can lead to a eared and simplistic veiw of the world.

  my way is perfect.

  yours is crazy or evil.

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  "When we go through life thinking we individually have got it all figured out , it can lead to a eared and simplistic veiw of the world. My way is perfect. Yours is crazy or evil. We can't eradicate false belief but things can improve if we practice intellectual humility & open our mind. If we realise SOME OF THOSE FALSE BELIEFS RESIDE IN OUR OWN COMMUNITY AND RECOGNIZE JUST HOW MUCH OF WHAT WE BELIEVE DEPENDS ON THOSE AROUND US"

  I posted a little about anthropologist Daniel Everett on another thread about Amber Scorah, and how their experiences as "failed" missionaries, although from different Christian fundamentalist religions, tallied in so many ways. They both had to disguise their illegal proselytizing as an endeavour to teach and learn the local language.

  Neither converted anyone but themselves ...or rather deconverted since they are now both atheists.But what I found most interesting was their take on being with people so vastly different from the group's they were used to, and how it opened their eyes to a whole new way of thinking.

  The Pirahã people Don't have fixed words for colour or a number system and couldn't understand, for instance, why Daniel would come to tell them about someone neither he nor any of his family or ancestors had ever known! Neither do they have a concept for war or personal property. I highly recommend Daniels TED talk and book " Don't Sleep; there are Snakes"

  https://youtu.be/get272FyNto
  
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  Amber Scorah on TedEX

  by wannaexit in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7wfpaqcqcw.

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  Interestingly I've been reading a book by a missionary who went to convert a tribe in the Amazon jungle that has many parallels with Amber's experience.

  Because this was outlawed(like Amber) he went ostensibly for a Linguistic organization.

  Just like Amber, he had time and space away from his conditioning and the tribe had such a different way of thinking, they converted him....well he left an athiest!!

  Get this ....they had no words for numbers and no counting and no words for colours. They would say the frogs are bigger ( more frogs) and the word for black was 'rotting blood' the word for red was 'like blood' and the word for green was 'like unripe'.
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  The "figurative" heart

  by Sour Grapes in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  about 25 years ago i gave a talk about how when the bible talks about the heart that it is the literal heart and how the heart and the brain are connected by nerve tissue.

  the watchtower even stated that some people who received a heart transplant would take on some of the personality of the donor.then all of a sudden the borg changed and said that when the bible refers to the heart that it is figurative.

  then when ever the watchtower referred to the heart it always put the word figurative in front of it.. does anyone know why there was a change in the use of the word heart?

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  I don't know why they changed Sour Grapes, but as a wee child I very clearly remember being told that the heart has its own "mind" as such.

  I still don't think it's one of the more outrageous medical faux pas Watchtower has made, after all the pain one feels in the heart is very, very real when one looses a loved one. I mean the pain is very much localized in the actual heart region so it seems pretty believable there is nerve tissue from the heart to the.brain...anyone know how that works??