Posts by Diogenesister

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Witness reaching out to me after 20+ years...

by SouthCentral in

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a few weeks ago; a witness couple from the midwest reached out to me after 25+ years.

they said they were doing a letter writing campaign and decided to reach out to me… they called on my personal cell phone, which was a little surprising.

a few days ago, a couple that i knew from over 40 years ago, sent me a text, again to my personal cell phone.. i assume that they just googled my name to get the personal info.

Diogenesister

Anders In their rolodex

Now THATS something I haven’t heard talked about in a good while😉

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Elders Remove Excellent Speaker

by Vanderhoven7 in

great talk interrupted.... https://youtu.be/hlgwyfhtihm.

Diogenesister

Exactly right. I don't really pay attention to anything much anymore when I do happen to go to a meeting, but they still may do the thing where an elder in the audience has a copy of the talk and reviews how closely the speaker follows it, especially for speakers from other congregations.

Exactly. All it would take is an experienced elder who knows the outline of the talk and it would get shut down. The fact he has a paper bible, mentioned problems with those “high up” In the organization and, finally, focusing on “confessing the name of JESUS” to be saved (with only a super brief, off-hand mention of JEEEEEEEEEEhova once, aaand....game over!

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Transparency in Field Service Hours

by Earnest in

i notice that in the recent instructions for new regular pioneers (2020-08-s-236-e) it lists a number of assignments for which a pioneer can be credited (up to 75) hours in a month.. these include:construction oversight, assembly hall oversight, assembly oversight, and convention oversight, as well as serving as temporary volunteers at bethel, commuter bethelites, remote volunteers, bethel consultants, hospital liaison committee members, patient visitation group members, disaster relief committee members, local design/construction department field representatives and maintenance trainers, and so forth.

approved assignments also include assisting with kingdom hall construction when such is done at the request of the branch office or its representatives overseeing the project, assisting with pre and post-assembly or convention work, assisting with work at assembly halls, conducting or participating in congregation meetings held in prison, as well as attendance at a theocratic school or class .

when i was pioneering and doing pre and post-assembly work i was told i could include the time spent working in my monthly report, which i did.

Diogenesister

I’ve been searching for that article for some time, if that’s the one that issues new organisational direction in the voice of the “Lord” himself. It must rank as one of the more bizarre WT articles in the archive.

Gosh if they announced the hourly time counting in that 1943 Watchtower in the voice of the “Lord” then that absolutely proves they claim to be prophets - or claim that god does indeed speak through them via their Watchtower vehicle.

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Transparency in Field Service Hours

by Earnest in

i notice that in the recent instructions for new regular pioneers (2020-08-s-236-e) it lists a number of assignments for which a pioneer can be credited (up to 75) hours in a month.. these include:construction oversight, assembly hall oversight, assembly oversight, and convention oversight, as well as serving as temporary volunteers at bethel, commuter bethelites, remote volunteers, bethel consultants, hospital liaison committee members, patient visitation group members, disaster relief committee members, local design/construction department field representatives and maintenance trainers, and so forth.

approved assignments also include assisting with kingdom hall construction when such is done at the request of the branch office or its representatives overseeing the project, assisting with pre and post-assembly or convention work, assisting with work at assembly halls, conducting or participating in congregation meetings held in prison, as well as attendance at a theocratic school or class .

when i was pioneering and doing pre and post-assembly work i was told i could include the time spent working in my monthly report, which i did.

Diogenesister

The phrase “some time should be spent on the ministry each month” at the end gives the game away. It indicates there were some “pioneers” who were fulfilling their entire monthly quota using time spent on assignments and none on the ministry. In order to avoid this massive loophole the society are instructing pioneers to break down their hours to indicate that at least a few of the hours reported include actual time spent on the ministry.

You bet!

Earnest It’s mainly just an excuse for elders and other males to retain the title of pioneer without EVER having to do any preaching and DEFINITELY not to strangers in the ministry (ie not to your own kids or other JWs kids).

I imagine the borg is happy as it serves to keep the appointed men away from worldly people who might inform them of Watchtower’s dubious history!!!

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IICSA and NO apologies regarding child abuse

by Fadeaway1962 in

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/jehovahs-witness-child-abuse-sex-18717755 .

no collective regret or any acknowledgement that child sexual abuse had happened among jws..

Diogenesister

the reason why the JWS dont openly regret their intentional cover up of child sexaul abuse that occurred within their organization is because that would bring reproach onto Jehovah's name and his earthly chosen organization/arrangement.

Well yes, but ultimately the reason they don’t apologize is entirely to do with not wanting Witnesses to see the Borg as wrong in any way, and not public image or legal culpability.

Admitting they are responsible and apologizing would demonstrate to witnesses God has no connection to Watchtower and is not guiding their decisions.

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Was Sin Inevitable?

by Parker in

i was wondering about this question and wanted to ask: was sin inevitable?

also, i had thought about past watchtower articles or publications related to this topic and did some research and found this from our readers ask if adam was perfect, how was it possible for him to sin?.

well, then, did god create adam with a moral weakness, so that he lacked the ability to make sound decisions or to withstand temptation?

Diogenesister

Watchtower goofs again.

There was no “principal of headship” before the fall. It was only after the fall that Eve was to suffer horribly in childbirth and that “your desire will be for your husband, but he will rule you”. Many translations explain it means Eve will desire to control her husband, but he will rule her.

In other words prior to the fall they had an equal, harmonious relationship. In fact I was reassured by older JWs as a kid that in paradise women would no longer be subject to headship and in heaven male and female no longer exist.

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Jesus Believed In Adam and Eve

by Parker in

i'm new to the forum.

i'm an ex-jw who actually faded from jws.

i'm here to drop by every once in a while to ask a question or two.

Diogenesister

There is a theory that the garden of Eden represents the “golden age” of man before civilization....before farming, land ownership, competition for resources and the misery and (as we are now suffering) the disease that accompanied it.

So in other words man looked back at a simpler time when there was less of us and plenty to hunt and gather.....perhaps they imagined a world without conflict.

I think we are given to see the past through rose coloured specs.

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Australian Royal Commission’s “BCG” is told “Screw You” from an exJW

by Las Malvinas son Argentinas in

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csa victims need our support, not vindictiveness.

in that vein, lord farquaad has these kind words for shelly, aka “bcg”.

false dilemma logical fallacy.

Diogenesister

I’m referring to Evans’ previous history with Shelly (BCG), his tendency to attack her and her motives, along with other patterns of misbehavior. If you don’t believe me there’s a Reddit thread where he leveled false allegations that she wanted to torpedo Covert Fade’s book in order to write her own and that she was under the influence of “cedars-bashers”. But you still want to take his word for it, defend him at all cost and brush away all criticism. Who sounds like the JW now?

I can actually verify this and give some context. Funnily enough I mentioned this to my husband today...how weird.

Anyway I got into it with Lloyd because Covert Fade had a private conversation with Shelly over “a book”. Covert Fade then took to Twitter and reddit to besmirch her. Lloyd played no part in this but to his discredit he jumped onto reddit to insult Shelly , finally accusing her of ‘calling people out in public” at which point I made the point that it was Covert fade who was “callIng BCG out” all over social media. Since Alexandra James defended BCG he also took the opportunity to call her “regressive and hysterical”, both typical epithets men use to criticize women when they have no solid reason to, and I’m sorry this was beneath Lloyd.

It really was a case of the big boys gang muscling in on someone on reddit where they have a big, controlling presence and BCG doesn’t.

I am actually a patron of Lloyd’s and support his work, but I’m sorry I will call him out when he’s wrong and on this occasion he put his buddy before his principals.

JeffroLloyd definitely has beef with Shelly/BCGand it’s definitely aimed at her. He wouldn’t speak up toward a random dude over this.

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And this isn't a cult? Wife put on name tag for zoom assembly

by goingthruthemotions in

and this isn't a cult?

just saw my wife put on her name tag for the zoom assembly.... what the what?

i thought these things werent even live.

Diogenesister

Goingthruthemotions Ask her this:

If Jesus got married, what sort of a husband would he be?

Obviously he remained single. So what sort of a husband would he approve of? What sort of husband do you think the modern day GB make?

If she says "good husbands, loving, faithfull in sickness and health" etc, say you agree.

Then tell her about Judge Rutherford deserting his disabled JW wife and son and not seeing them for over 20 years...that they didn't even attend his funeral. (actually he even had a mistress, check out JWfacts.com)

Then ask if she thinks Jesus would choose such a man to lead his people on earth...

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JW's and the National Anthem/Flag

by Anony Mous in

one thing we were always taught in the past is how we should sit down and pray (kneel) to jehoober whenever we were at an event where they played the national anthem.

we had to actively disrespect the flag and anthem and be no part of the world, because we were our own country with jesus as king.. given kneeling/sitting for the national anthem is now the favorite pastime of the far-left and if you do so, you get associated with democrats, how do jehovah's witnesses now 'become no part of this world' when they have to disrespect the flag?.

Diogenesister

The emotes are so glitchy on this site. Why can't I just delete one????

I can't even press them properly as the "emoticon" word obscures a lot of the good ones.