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  WTS was the first on the scene after the Haiti earthquake

  by bohm in

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  hey!.

  the following story is apparently circulating in several south-american bethel-branches: after the earthquake in haiti, the wts was the first provide help in the form of 18 doctors who was transported in by air.

  this clearly show how well the organization work bla bla bla.. im curious if anyone else here has heard this story, or have information about how effective the wts helping work really was..

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  The Cubans say they were the first ones there....

  AMN .- In the first critical days after the earthquake that struck Haiti only two American news agencies reported rapid Cuban response to the crisis. One was Fox News, which claimed, wrongly, that the Cubans were absent from the list of neighboring Caribbean countries that had assisted. The other way was the Christian Science Monitor (a respected news agency that recently shut down its print edition), which correctly reported that Cuba had sent 30 doctors to Haiti.The Christian Science Monitor, in a second article quoted Laurence Korb, a former deputy defense secretary and current member of the Center for American Progress, who declared that the U.S., leading the relief efforts in Haiti, they "think use the knowledge of neighboring Cuba, "which, he said," has some of the best doctors in the world - we should try and airlifted to Haiti ".

  http://www.agenciamn.com/Sociedad/Haiti-Los-primeros-en-ayudar.html
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  WTS was the first on the scene after the Haiti earthquake

  by bohm in

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  hey!.

  the following story is apparently circulating in several south-american bethel-branches: after the earthquake in haiti, the wts was the first provide help in the form of 18 doctors who was transported in by air.

  this clearly show how well the organization work bla bla bla.. im curious if anyone else here has heard this story, or have information about how effective the wts helping work really was..

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  The Dominican Republic says they were the first there....

  Rafael Nunez, a spokeswoman for Fernandez, told BBC News that his country was the first to get international assistance when no one was delivering nothing in Haiti. "We set up an emergency operations center in Jimani, on the border, and we are carrying food, mattresses, blankets, water among others.""They were prepared to deliver a million rations of food, so it's a pretty impressive operation," he told BBC News Jasmine Huggins, of the British relief organization Christian Aid.This mobilization of support occurs despite the difficult relations that have traditionally existed between the Dominican Republic and Haiti. One of the sticking points between the two countries is the presence of hundreds of thousands of illegal Haitians in Dominican.

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/mundo/america_latina/2010/01/100114_haiti_dominicana_mes.shtml
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  WTS was the first on the scene after the Haiti earthquake

  by bohm in

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  hey!.

  the following story is apparently circulating in several south-american bethel-branches: after the earthquake in haiti, the wts was the first provide help in the form of 18 doctors who was transported in by air.

  this clearly show how well the organization work bla bla bla.. im curious if anyone else here has heard this story, or have information about how effective the wts helping work really was..

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  The catholics say they were the first one there also.

  Ok...excuse the bad translation..I did it using google, had no time to review.

  The first to arrive: "Caritas is deploying a relief operation in Haiti after the earthquake"The Church was already present in the affected country through organizations such as Caritas, Manos Unidas or AIN, the Pope calls for international response "urgent"Haiti has suffered the worst earthquake in its last two hundred years. It speaks of a hundred thousand deaths. The first to arrive were the associations Church for one simple reason: they were already there helping. Caritas, Aid to the Church in Need (ACN) and Manos Unidas are offering first aid to the hundreds of thousands affected by the earthquake measuring 7.3 degrees on the Richter scale that has plagued Haiti.The campaign coordinator for Spanish Caritas Haiti, Martin Lake, has been confirmed to have already ForumLibertas.com internet communication with the branch of Caritas in the Caribbean country. Thanks to that first report explained that since the first time the organization has been able to deploy the first aid because their facilities have remained standing. Hati Catholic Relief Services (Caritas is known as American) is now shipping the first aid he had stored in their offices in Haiti......

  here is the link to the spanish news..

  http://www.forumlibertas.com/frontend/forumlibertas/noticia.php?id_noticia=15971
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  Does God need an Organization on earth today?

  by wannabe in

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  does god need an organization on earth today?.

  the word of the lord from jerusalem.

  because he is jehovah's organization on earth today, right now!

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  rmnnoute - I conclude by your comment that you are a WT apologist/loyalist. If that is the case…you should not be here in the first place. You should be obeying the commands from your master’s in Brooklyn NY.

  But if you decide to read….

  Anyone who takes the lead in a Christian congregation has to be faithful to the teachings of the Christ and the Apostles. Any apparent authority is limited to the service that they provide to the cong. Look at this comment from Wesley’s note on Hebr 13:17

  Wesley’s Note: Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you - The word implies also, that lead or guide you; namely, in truth and holiness. And submit yourselves - Give up (not your conscience or judgment, but) your own will, in all things purely indifferent.

  The GB is not leading in truth and holiness, they are a bunch of control hungry charlatans. My conscience no longer allows me to follow them.

  Also, take a closer look at these passages:

  1 Cor. 1:24: But that does not mean we want to dominate you by telling you how to put your faith into practice. We want to work together with you so you will be full of joy, for it is by your own faith that you stand firm. (NLT)

  Math 20:25-28 But Jesus called them together and said, “You know that the rulers in this world lord it over their people , and officials flaunt their authority over those under them. But among you it will be different. Whoever wants to be a leader among you must be your servant, and whoever wants to be first among you must become your slave . For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve others and to give his life as a ransom for many.” (NLT)

  1Pet 5: 3.4: Don’t lord it over the people assigned to your care, but lead them by your own good example.And when the Great Shepherd appears, you will receive a crown of never-ending glory and honor. (NLT)

  Could you consciously deny that the WT/GB is “lording over” the JW? under the claim that they represent Jehovah’s Organization on earth.

  They want you to sacrifice your energy, your youth, you mind, your spirit before the altar of a soulless Corporation. And that my friend is no Christian leadership.
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  I'm Out

  by Cthulhu in

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  wednesday night i recieved a call from both the coeb and the kingdom hall.

  i didn't answer.

  yesterday i called him back and i was informed that unless i wanted to talk to the brothers they had determined that my actions spoke for themselves and that i had by those actions disassociated myself.

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  Cthulhu - I whish you the best!

  A secondary and, perhaps, stronger benefit for them would be that they could then add further requirements such as "all Witnesses of Jehovah put in x number of hours. If you wish to remain a Witness of Jehovah you must too." If such a policy is ever introduced it will be for purposes of control.

  This is the way things are going to be very soon. We have some inactive/faders in my cong. The CO keeps implying that we should DA or DF them. He doesn’t say it in a direct way, but the way that he expresses himself shows that this is an order from the GB. They are aware that the majority of faders are done with this organization, and that they represent a danger to their claim of authority because active JW can still talk to faders. We should not be surprised when the official policy gets introduced, there will be an initiative to DA/DF all those who have not been reporting FS time and/or attending meetings regularly for a certain period of time.

  These are the biblical texts that will be used to justify this policy.

  2 Thess. 3: 6 Now we are giving YOU orders, brothers, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, to withdraw from every brother walking disorderly and not according to the tradition YOU received from us. ” (NWT)

  2 Thess. 3:14 But if anyone is not obedient to our word through this letter, keep this one marked, stop associating with him, that he may become ashamed.

  Be ware faders….you have been warned!!
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  Does God need an Organization on earth today?

  by wannabe in

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  does god need an organization on earth today?.

  the word of the lord from jerusalem.

  because he is jehovah's organization on earth today, right now!

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  No! He does not.

  I’d like to add:

  1) Before the formation of the nation of Israel, God dealt with people as individuals. NO ORGANIZATION.

  2) Moses and Joshua served as leaders to guide the Israelites and establish the nation under the clear, evidentand unquestionable direction from God. NO ORGANIZATION.

  3) Israel was a nation, a country, a community, a theocracy. There was no other king, but Jehovah. Elders and priests were appointed to provide services to the community; they were not in a position of authority to rule over the nation. They were servants. NO ORGANIZATION.

  4) Jehovah provided 12 Judges from all the tribes of Israel to defend and deliver the nation from foreign invaders. NO ORGANIZATION.

  · The Israelites asked Gideon to be their “King” he declined the offer and said…Judges 8:23 Gideon said to them, “I will not rule over you, and my son will not rule over you; the LORD will rule over you.” (ESV).

  · Judges 9 shows that things got really bad for the nation when they elected Abimelech as their king. He was not appointed by God, he appointed himself and the nation supported him to their demise.

  5) According to the Hebrew tradition, Samuel was the last Judge. The people again asked for a human/visible king. God did not like the idea, and was displeased with the nation’s demand. 1 Samuel 8:7 And the LORD said to Samuel, “Obey the voice of the people in all that they say to you, for they have not rejected you, but they have rejected me from being king over them .

  6) God gave them Saul then David. Thus the beginning of what might resemble an Organization. But it was flawed, because it was depended on imperfect humans. The nation had about 24 kings, some good and some bad, and even the good ones made mistakes.

  7) In Jesus time, Israel was under the control of a foreign king. But the Priests, the Pharisees, and the Elders acted for the nation of Israel as God’s representatives. But as the new covenant shows, that system was abolished, these representatives not longer enjoyed Jehovah’s approval.

  8) We are under a New Covenant. Our leader is the Son Jesus Christ, with whom we can enjoy a personal relationship. Our loyalty is to him not to a so called earthly Organization.

  “God needs no particular person, church, denomination, creed, or organization to accomplish His purpose. He will make use of those, in all their diversity, who are ready to be used, but will leave to themselves those who labor for their own ends” -Daniel Taylor’s “The Myth of Certainty” pg. 30.

  Religious Organizations are not necessarily bad when the motive is to be of service to humanity. The problem lies when the Organizations set themselves as rulers above the people that caused them to be in existence.
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  POEM..."Forgive them Father, for they don't know what they do"...

  by tjlibre in

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  showing my poetic side...hope you enjoy.

  forgive them father, for they dont know what they do.

  when they use your holy name to lead us astray.... forgive them father, for they dont know what they do.

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  Thanks BTS and Cantleave.
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  The WT LIE re "Sign" of the "Generation"

  by AGuest in

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  to the household of god, israel, and all those who go with... may you have peace!.

  the following excerpt was posted from paragraph 14 of the wtbts article, "the holy spirits role in the outworking of jehovahs purpose":.

  14 what does this explanation mean to us?

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  The GB have over 7 million witness under their control, with the streamlining, cost reduction and property sales, they really care less about a million or so leaving the org within the next 2 years.
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  Out of Left Field...Strange things you were told by elders

  by FollowerOfSet in

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  just curious if the crazy was limited to my town or not.. i remember and elder, during a talk about everyone being resurrected that it included all the babies that had miscarried or were aborted, because the big j knew what their hearts were.

  after the meeting, he was telling a couple of us how it also disturbed him that his wife would have to carry someone elses babies and he would be raising someone elses children.. another elder said that we would colonize other planets, and that since the bible never said the big j didn't make other inhabited worlds that there was a whole universe of planets to colonize after armageddon.. anyone else hear crazy crap like this?.

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  That the JW have the TRUTH...
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  To those working against the W.T from the inside,

  by acolytes in

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  to those working against the w.t from the inside.. are you not still forced from without to conform, and from within to rebel, therefore any compromise is related within the confines of conformity.

  therefore is not your protest set by the society and its social order you have allowed be erected before you?.

  acolytes.

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  I’m in…but bringing down the WT is impossible and I’m not even trying to push for reform. I’m concentrating on helping myself, my wife and the ones I can and working towards raising awareness about the damage that the WT/GB does to the JWs.

  Reform from the inside….impossible, awareness from the outside…highly effective.