I also remember what Spiral said. When I became a Dub in 1973 people at the KH were making fun of Mormons and the like for their disaster plans. The JW plan then consisted entirely of "Trust in Jehovah." Apparently, they are making more concrete plans now.
Posts by JeffT
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31Disaster Preparedness Training - WTF is that?
by wannabefree ini'm making plans for next weekend and my wife says she's not available saturday.
"is there an assembly?
" i asked.. no, disaster preparedness course (or something like that) at the kingdom hall.. is this new?
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The idiots Hollyweird destroys the Bond Franchise
by rockemsockem in99% of the people who go to bond films want a straight white english bond with a bit of light sexism and some bond girls thrown in.
they do not want a tranny bond or a gay or lesbian bond.
and they do not want a black woman bond.
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JeffT
The original James Bond (the one in Ian Fleming's books) is a product of the fifties: he drinks martinis 24/7, drives an exotic car, regards every woman in the world as a sex object, and fights communists for a living. He's the kind of man that teenage boys wanted to be when they grew up, its the same image of the world that Hugh Hefner conjured up in the pages of Playboy.
For all our current problems, that world is fortunatly a thing of the past, and I don't think the character can be translated into today's world. His doctor would lecture him about his drinking, he couldn't afford the car on a government salary, and every woman he spoke to would slap him and file a harrassment suit. .
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The idiots Hollyweird destroys the Bond Franchise
by rockemsockem in99% of the people who go to bond films want a straight white english bond with a bit of light sexism and some bond girls thrown in.
they do not want a tranny bond or a gay or lesbian bond.
and they do not want a black woman bond.
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JeffT
Nathan, I'll take a look. I like Daniel Craig. On of my problems was that I don't think I've ever seen Pierce Brosnan in anything I liked. The man just grates on my nerves.
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READ: Watchtower's SCOTUS petition
by Corney inon june 25, 2019 watchtower ny filed petition for a writ of certiorari in the u.s. supreme court.
the society asks to reconsider a $4 million judgment against it in a california child abuse case.
docket: https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/19-40.html .
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JeffT
I think the WTBS has shot itself in the foot.
I did some research on clergy-penitent privilige. The definition of "clergy" is up in the air, Watchtower elders may not qualify. If the Court takes this case this will likely be one of the arguments.
The bigger problem is that the Watchtower has told elders to report child abuse in states where they are required to do so. This can be taken as evidence that they don't have any deep seated doctrinal problem about doing so. All, or almost all, states now have some version of mandatory reporting. I don't think the WTBS can now claim that doesn't apply to them, they've already admitted it does.
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READ: Watchtower's SCOTUS petition
by Corney inon june 25, 2019 watchtower ny filed petition for a writ of certiorari in the u.s. supreme court.
the society asks to reconsider a $4 million judgment against it in a california child abuse case.
docket: https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/19-40.html .
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JeffT
Thanks, I suspected they were still playing with words. I don't think the early Disciples had any UNPAID clergy either. I"m going to try find out how the law defines "clergy."
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The idiots Hollyweird destroys the Bond Franchise
by rockemsockem in99% of the people who go to bond films want a straight white english bond with a bit of light sexism and some bond girls thrown in.
they do not want a tranny bond or a gay or lesbian bond.
and they do not want a black woman bond.
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JeffT
I saw Dr. No when I was twelve. I think Diamonds Are Forever was the last one I went to. I stopped paying attention to the franchise after that, but I think that was the target audience: males between the ages of twelve and twenty-five. But you're right I went to those movies because I knew I'd see gunfire, explosions, car chases, and some scantily-clad women. By today's standards the sex and risque jokes were quaint.
How many of these idiotic movies does Hollywierd have to lose money on before they figure it out?
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READ: Watchtower's SCOTUS petition
by Corney inon june 25, 2019 watchtower ny filed petition for a writ of certiorari in the u.s. supreme court.
the society asks to reconsider a $4 million judgment against it in a california child abuse case.
docket: https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/19-40.html .
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JeffT
Blondie, I've been out since 1988. Have the Jehovah's Witnesses given up claiming they don't have a clergy? Back in the day, they used to cite that as part of their proof that they were the only True Christian religion.
I'd think it would be hard to claim clergy-penitent privilege when you don't have a clergy.
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READ: Watchtower's SCOTUS petition
by Corney inon june 25, 2019 watchtower ny filed petition for a writ of certiorari in the u.s. supreme court.
the society asks to reconsider a $4 million judgment against it in a california child abuse case.
docket: https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/19-40.html .
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JeffT
SCOTUS doesn't have to do anything for us to win. If they decline to hear the appeal the lower court ruling stands. I don't understand the Watchtower's argument. If they are saying that following the law violates their religious freedom, then they are arguing that being a criminal is part of their religious doctrine.
I'll be surprised if SCOTUS takes the case.
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Smuggling
by lastmanstanding inthe international assemblies are on... and the missionaries are coming home... and leaving richer.. i have, in all seriousness, been told by a co that the missionaries going home have large sums of money hidden in their luggage as they go back to their assignments.
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he related how one couple was almost caught with the undeclared cash as they passed through customs.. this has been going on for quite some time, the watchtower using missionaries are mules.. i bet with all the kingdumb hall sales the pace has picked up..
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JeffT
OK, so what is the purpose of hauling suitcases of money around the world?
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Smuggling
by lastmanstanding inthe international assemblies are on... and the missionaries are coming home... and leaving richer.. i have, in all seriousness, been told by a co that the missionaries going home have large sums of money hidden in their luggage as they go back to their assignments.
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he related how one couple was almost caught with the undeclared cash as they passed through customs.. this has been going on for quite some time, the watchtower using missionaries are mules.. i bet with all the kingdumb hall sales the pace has picked up..
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JeffT
No I think its a false narrative because I'm a retired accountant and financial manager. I have no doubt some CO told you this story. I have lots of doubts that he knows what he's talking about.
The described activities are not money laundering. Money laundering is used to disguise the fact that money is made illegally and/or to avoid taxes. What illegal activity is the WTBS engaged in that requires hiding the proceeds? Selling Kingdom halls is not illegal, its also impossible to hide the money since its a publically recorded transaction. The WTBS is a religious organization, as such it doesn't pay taxes on most activities, so they don't need to do that either.
As I said, they could loose everything, why take the chance? I don't see a reward that justifies the risk of moving money around clandestinly. If I was on the GB and wanted to hide money earned from some nefarious activity (the definition of "money laundering", I'd just have somebody dump it in the donation boxes at a convention. It then becomes "cash donations" and its clean as a whistle.