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  QUITTING QUIETLY here is the Canadian version of the document

  by gone for good in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a while back, i suggested that an easy, quick, quiet exit with the signing and dating of a concise and irrefutable document would spur faders and pimos to preempt the elders' interference by quitting quietly first , before a fade or a confrontation.

  here is the document .

  https://1drv.ms/w/s!avoitfxyvyqghq3gbmkhfyqp_jqp?e=8bttg1.

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  JeffT

  I'm free of this religion because thirty-three years ago I decided to stop participating in it. Almost a year after we stopped going to the Kingdom Hall my wife and I wrote a DA letter. We wrote the letter to make sure they knew we decided to join and voluntarily and we left voluntarily. During that year we voted in the 1988 election, celebrated Halloween and Christmas, our oldest son's birthday, my wife's birthday, I grew a beard (not allowed at the time) and generally did whatever the hell we wanted. We wrote the letter when it became obvious the elders were coming after us and accepted the fact that family and friends were going to shun us.

  That is the point here: there is no get out of JW jail free card. If you stop participating, at some point they will shun you. I'm concerned that some one who doesn't know any better will see this form you've cooked up and think they've found an easier softer way. Such a path doesn't exist. Freedom is a struggle, and there will be hardships. We do a disservice by leading some to believe it won't be hard.
  
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  QUITTING QUIETLY here is the Canadian version of the document

  by gone for good in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a while back, i suggested that an easy, quick, quiet exit with the signing and dating of a concise and irrefutable document would spur faders and pimos to preempt the elders' interference by quitting quietly first , before a fade or a confrontation.

  here is the document .

  https://1drv.ms/w/s!avoitfxyvyqghq3gbmkhfyqp_jqp?e=8bttg1.

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  JeffT

  There's been something nagging at the back of my mind while reading this thread, I finally figured it out tonight. Go to Youtube and do a search for "Sovereign Citizen." You will be treated to hours of video of knuckleheads armed with some paperwork they downloaded off the internet arguing with cops about how they don't need driver's licenses, insurance etc because those laws don't apply to them. I think we have the same thing going on here. The only reason they don't end the same way is because the elders can't arrest you.
  
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  QUITTING QUIETLY here is the Canadian version of the document

  by gone for good in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a while back, i suggested that an easy, quick, quiet exit with the signing and dating of a concise and irrefutable document would spur faders and pimos to preempt the elders' interference by quitting quietly first , before a fade or a confrontation.

  here is the document .

  https://1drv.ms/w/s!avoitfxyvyqghq3gbmkhfyqp_jqp?e=8bttg1.

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  JeffT

  Strange that you can picture a comedy sketch, but you can't possibly picture a dignified, irrefutable way to extricate yourself quietly and quickly from the authority of a family destroying c--t.

  I liked Simon's SNL skit. What I can't picture is why I need a piece of paper full of pseudo-legal babbling to stop participating in something I no longer wish to participate in. I just told them I wasn't interested anymore. It was dignified and irrefutable.
  
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  QUITTING QUIETLY here is the Canadian version of the document

  by gone for good in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a while back, i suggested that an easy, quick, quiet exit with the signing and dating of a concise and irrefutable document would spur faders and pimos to preempt the elders' interference by quitting quietly first , before a fade or a confrontation.

  here is the document .

  https://1drv.ms/w/s!avoitfxyvyqghq3gbmkhfyqp_jqp?e=8bttg1.

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  JeffT

  Just out of curiosity what happens when you get in a dust up with an elder pull out this document and tell him he has no authority over you. His reaction is to pull out his own copy and say that you have no authority over him and he's exercising his freedom of religion to show you the door?
  
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  QUITTING QUIETLY here is the Canadian version of the document

  by gone for good in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a while back, i suggested that an easy, quick, quiet exit with the signing and dating of a concise and irrefutable document would spur faders and pimos to preempt the elders' interference by quitting quietly first , before a fade or a confrontation.

  here is the document .

  https://1drv.ms/w/s!avoitfxyvyqghq3gbmkhfyqp_jqp?e=8bttg1.

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  JeffT

  There is a fundamental flaw in all of these discussions about civil rights declarations etc: they cut both ways. Yes, you have the right to practice your religion as you see fit. So do the elders.

  I'm with Simon, if you want to stop being a JW just stop. My wife and I wrote a DA letter about six months after we quit going to the hall. We said we'd sue them if they slandered us. We sent all kinds of documents outlining what we thought was wrong with the organization.

  If I had it to do over again I'd just tell them I joined voluntarily and I was leaving voluntarily. Or maybe not say anything at all and let them figure it out.
  
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  QUITTING QUIETLY here is the Canadian version of the document

  by gone for good in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a while back, i suggested that an easy, quick, quiet exit with the signing and dating of a concise and irrefutable document would spur faders and pimos to preempt the elders' interference by quitting quietly first , before a fade or a confrontation.

  here is the document .

  https://1drv.ms/w/s!avoitfxyvyqghq3gbmkhfyqp_jqp?e=8bttg1.

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  JeffT

  If you're sending that to JW's where did you find one smart enough to understand what that says?
  
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  Human imperfection, church policy or hypocrisy?? Watchtower vs BMG

  by lssjr in

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  this new lawsuit continues to compound undeniable evidence that jehovah’s witnesses is keener in monopolizing "the truth" or making "kingdom assets" an exclusive right, so that they can interests of their "king, jesus christ".

  it is clearly evident also the they are willing to fight for frivolous and materialistic rights they believe they are entitled to, but when it comes to child sexual abuse issues and their role, they certainly love to twist and hide behind law, to escape blame and responsibility.. below is the full text from https://avoidjw.org/en/news/watch-tower-bmg-music/.

  the court documents are also available for download in the aforementioned link.. further commentary can also be found on watchtower sues bmg rights management over aled jones song.

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  Mick that was the first thing I thought of when I saw the subject line.
  
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  Human imperfection, church policy or hypocrisy?? Watchtower vs BMG

  by lssjr in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this new lawsuit continues to compound undeniable evidence that jehovah’s witnesses is keener in monopolizing "the truth" or making "kingdom assets" an exclusive right, so that they can interests of their "king, jesus christ".

  it is clearly evident also the they are willing to fight for frivolous and materialistic rights they believe they are entitled to, but when it comes to child sexual abuse issues and their role, they certainly love to twist and hide behind law, to escape blame and responsibility.. below is the full text from https://avoidjw.org/en/news/watch-tower-bmg-music/.

  the court documents are also available for download in the aforementioned link.. further commentary can also be found on watchtower sues bmg rights management over aled jones song.

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  What Joe said. As a writer I have some knowledge of copyright law. Music copyright is a bit more complicated, but not beyond understanding. Copyright exists to protect the creators of intellectual property, BMG knows this (or they are stunningly incompetent.

  I know this is an unpopular opinion on this board, but the WTBS is well within its rights on this, and risks losing those rights if it doesn't defend them.
  
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  First Day of Winter

  by frozen2018 in

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  here's a drone video shot not far from my house (not taken by me) to brighten the day:.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbn_be38fhy.

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  JeffT

  We live in a semi-rural area, we've had bobcats in the yard a couple of times. The second time it tried to grab one of my granddaughter's ducks for lunch. Fortunately we saw it and scared it off.
  
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  Has anyone contested a Will and WON????

  by cha ching in

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  my jw mom just died last week, about 6 1/2 months after my non jw dad died (dehydration, starvation, imo) i was the executor of that will.

  before a month had passed of his death, my dad & mom's will was changed.

  i didn't know until she died.

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  JeffT

  A question you need to ask yourself: is this worth fighting about? If it isn't enough money to pay a lawyer the correct thing to do is walk away. Remember that all of your mother's debts need to be paid, before any money can be disbursed.