SBF, that's one of the documents I've been looking for. Does your contact have the document that records his removal as a corporate officer? That might be very revealing.
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11530It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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I'm doing some surfing around in the Arizona corporation records, regarding AAWA. I can't get to the original incorporating documents, it looks like the state has archived the records. I was surprised to see that the corporation is still operating. I was under the impression they'd gone dark.
There is little if any current activity on AAWA.co.
I can't find any reference to Lloyd Evans on either the state's documents or the website. Not saying it isn't there, just saying that if it is there, its buried deep enough that I didn't see it in half an hour of poking around.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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I would like to help, I have to think about my schedule. I have a lot on my plate just now, but this appeals to my inner researcher.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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My wife and I stopped attending meetings in 1988 and DA'd in 1989. We were doing our research in the interval between those dates. There was no internet, no Lloyd Evans. I spent hours in the library, my wife was going through bookstores. We joined a support group. We spent a lot of time with Crisis of Conscience but there was a lot of other information out there as well.
Looking back, I can see that the Watchtower's own words; the falsehoods, the hypocrisy, false prophecy etc condemned them. Our research was a matter of confirming what we knew to be true. It is true: by the time you're looking at apostate Youtubes you're standing in front of the exit door.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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I just fell down a rabbit hole looking at old threads regarding AAWA.
It is interesting looking back from a distance and seeing the birth of all the problems we now see. The legal matters are probably minor, the manipulation of membership numbers seem to have damaged a lot of people. That is tragic.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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AAWA = (in its first iteration) Association of Anti-Watchtower Activists. That sounded too extreme so they quickly changed the actual name but kept the AAWA initials. I can't remember what it stood for in that second go around.
When they wrote up and filed the corporation paper work Evans signed it with his "John Cedars" screen name. He also stated that he was a resident of the state in which they incorporated, I think it was either Arizona or New Mexico.
Those two things are problematic. There was no such person as "John Cedars" it was a made up name. Signing a legal document with a fictitious name is the same thing as signing somebody else's name. Certifying that he was a resident of the state of incorporation was also a false statement, and would have invalidated the incorporation.
I assume that when discovered they went to the state and pleaded ignorance or some such and dodged a bullet with the legal system. At best, the whole thing showed poor judgement.
Edited to add, I looked at an old thread. The second entity was Advocates for Awareness of Watchtower Abuses.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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I would love to take a look at the AAWA legal paperwork. I could apply my accounting background to an analysis of what happened there. I was initially interest in that project but quickly lost my enthusiasm for AAWA when I found out he was forging the signature of a non-existent person to the state filing. I'm surprised somebody didn't end up in major legal trouble. That incident, and his doxing of a lot of people who weren't ready to deal with having their names in public spoke volumes about how he operated.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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JW's are conditioned to believe they need somebody (the GB) to explain stuff to them. Lloyd tapped into this when started up his youtubes. Now they've been conditioned to believe they need Lloyd Evans to explain stuff to them.
I think this is a real disservice to those leaving the Watchtower. Learning to sort out what you believe for yourself is a huge step, one that people won't take unless they have a teacher who is more interested in helping them strike out on their own, than gathering followers for himself. Or better yet, no teacher at all.
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Sanderson’s “Young People” convention talk
by FFGhost inso did anyone else have the misfortune of listening to sanderson’s talk corresponding to the saturday morning convention program?.
full title is “young people - choose a path that leads to peace!”.
the basic idea is, hey you teenagers, you ought to be pioneers, wt construction workers, and/or bethelites.. i tried to put myself back in time an embarrassing number of decades…if i were in this talk’s target audience, how would i respond?.
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The talk was virtually identical to every “Hey you kids, forget about college” talk given for the past 50, yes, 50 years.
It was a talk like this at a circuit assembly in 1988 that started my personal investigation that led to DA'ing a year later. My focus was my two older children who were just entering their teenage years. They were clearly college material and I wanted them to have a decent life.
I had already defied the elders and went back to school in the early eighties. I guess they are right - going to college and being a JW doesn't work.
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Mega Millions Jackpot…
by Biahi inin the us, our mega millions lottery jackpot has reached over 1billion dollars!
what would you do if you won?
i think i’d run public service announcements on television, alerting people of the dangers of the wt cult, among other things.
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In 1990 my parents came into some money - $900K not all that much in comparison to what we're talking about here. For those wanting to know that don't remember my history, it was half the Nobel prize in medicine.
People poured out of the woodwork asking for money. We got letters, phone calls, you name it. One lady wanted us to buy here a trailer. We got at least one request for help with rehab (that is at least a good use of the money). Some one else offered to give Dad the cure for cancer for some money.
In the end, Mom and Dad gave the money to their team at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Center. I don't know the details, knowing my parents I believe they weighted the money to give more to lower paid employees at The Hutch. My boss at the time was flabbergasted that some one could have their hands on that much money and give it away.
Based on that history, I say Blondie's got the right idea, disappear from the face of the earth, every nutjob on the planet will be trying to find you.