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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  This is the very purpose of a forum and why JWs don't like people going to them. Free discussion. Nothing really is off-topic, and we are free to discuss what we might think is going on with certain things.

  I joined the JW's at age 22 because I had just graduated from college and my community was dissolving and blowing off with the wind. So I found a new community (this was in 1973 and I was sucked up in the lead up to 1975) In 1988 I figured out my new community was based on false premises.

  So I found a new community -- of xjw's. back in those days a bunch of us meet once a month and functioned as support group. Looking back this group was a key factor in out exit.

  I discovered internet message boards in the late 90's and joined this one about 2000. I think this group now fills the space carved out by those early XJW support groups (I know the one we went to was not alone).

  Now we can all chat with like minded people all over the world. (Not just here, I don't know how many XJW facebook groups there are) We have formed a community, and when others want to join that community they are welcome to do so. And almost all points of view are welcome, in sharp contrast to the kingdom hall The only one with the authority to shut us up is Simon, and he seems pretty chill unless you really piss him off.

  For a time I think his videos filled an empty spot in the community, but it went off the rails with the problems AAWA had getting off the ground. Now Lloyd comes off as unwilling to allow anybody else in the sandbox, or any opinion other than his. Form my point of view I don't think he wants to get out of the Kingdom Hall, he wants to run it. That attitude is a threat to the freedom and safety of our community, and I don't think we're going to quit fighting it just because Lloyd's supporters tell us to.

  Lloyd, if you don't understand what we're complaining about try reading the last 830 or so pages with an open mind. The answers to your problems exist, if you want to fix them.
  
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  JW words ph rases I don't recall seeing in the Bible

  by enoughisenough in

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  i was trying to think of some common jw words and phrases i don't think are in the bible .. new world order new system spiritual israel governing body channel of communication organization reporting time pioneer aux pioneer circuit overseer kingdom hall circuit assembly district convention....,maybe you can think of something to add if you are inclined..

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  Field Service

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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  That comedy routine had a major flaw: it wasn't funny.

  The only time I laughed was the comment about England invading other countries. I'm an American republican (in the original sense of the word). Generally, my attitude toward the British monarchy is "two hundred-plus years ago we fought two wars to get you out of our country but we've been good friends ever since." I found the joke about the queen offensive. I just skimmed the rest of it, had I been there I probably walked out.
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  JeffT

  the panting walrus that is finished in a minute,

  Could somebody pass me the brain bleach. Please.
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  However, I don’t know how to write an unassailable contract that would hold the proofreader “free from harm” for assisting Dijana in a “tell all”,

  Not difficult at all. (If I did such a thing I'd have my attorney review it). The contract would cover the scope of work, which would be correcting spelling, grammar etc. Somebody else is responsible for double checking the contents of the story.

  Although if its written as a memoir you can probably cover your butt by claiming that you're written about events from your personal perspective. That's hard to prove wrong in court.
  
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  Wedding Anniversary #62

  by smiddy3 in

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  hi friends , i thought i would just let you know it`s my wife and i, 62nd wedding anniversary today.. not that we were able to celebrate much as my wife wasn`t up to it today .. however i did manage to give her a couple of champers at home ,while i had a couple o ales with friends down at the club and managed to put on lotto for tonite and a couple of keno`s from the club ,you never know the god`s might smile upon us for doing something right after all these years.?.

  take care guys.. smiddy 3.

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  Congratulations and Happy Anniversary
  
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  Scottish Queen of Woke Resigns

  by cofty in

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  first new zealand's dictator resigned and now nicola sturgeon the first minister of scotland has announced her intention to go.. nobody is certain exactly what the trigger was but there are plenty of possibilities.

  the final straw may have been her 'gender recognition' act that would have made it possible for anybody 16 and over to legally change their sex on a whim.

  the vast majority of scots were opposed but she battered the legislation through holyrood regardless.

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  Seems to me that woke is the twenty-first century’s new religion.

  This.

  I find myself in repeated arguments with various family members. The fundamental problem that always blocks rational discussion is the fact that the "Wokes" treat this stuff like received wisdom. About three years ago we had an argument about trans people going to the prison for their chosen gender and the other inmates would "just have to learn to respect other people's boundaries."

  At which point I brought the conversation to an end by pointing out that if they could do that they should just teach people to not be criminals.
  
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  WTBTS investments

  by enoughisenough in

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  i found this article, how be it from about 10 years ago.

  https://clarencesisk.com/watchtower-investments/ i didn't even go to the end of the article, but assuming the writer knew of which he wrote, wt had/has?

  stock in bot j&j and pfizer.

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  OK that one threw me for a loop for a minute. "Governing Body" has a distinct meaning for XJW's, one that is not shared by the IRS. In this case they mean "whoever is in charge" like a board of directors.
  
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  WTBTS investments

  by enoughisenough in

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  i found this article, how be it from about 10 years ago.

  https://clarencesisk.com/watchtower-investments/ i didn't even go to the end of the article, but assuming the writer knew of which he wrote, wt had/has?

  stock in bot j&j and pfizer.

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  I need to spend a little time with this document to try to figure out what the hell they're doing. They claim 834K income on a three million dollar portfolio? That's almost a 1/3 profit!!! Then they claim over 700K in expenses. Something is not right with this.
  
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  Why Does the WatchTower Society INVEST in unethical enterprises?

  by Terry in

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  investing in unethical enterprises.

  in the ocean, big fish swallow the little fish while the big fish are swallowed by the even bigger fish.. below is an example of this principle.. .

  a fellow named mccann donated 50k shares of rand cam engine corp. to the watchtower society.. rand cam engine corp. manufactures aircraft engines for commercial, recreational, and military clients.

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  What Bartolomeo said.

  There is a difference between RAND CAM and the Rand Corporation. The corporation is a non-profit research firm. RAND CAM is trying to market a new kind of engine, with no evidence of success that I can find.

  I did some research on this the last time it came up here, and just took a look to refresh my memory. I'm not sure who came up with the design for the engine, or for that matter how the thing is supposed to work -- the available information reads like the ads for 200 mile per gallon carburetors they sell in the back pages of Popular Mechanics.

  Some how some JW's in Oregon and British Columbia acquired the rights to the engine and set up RAND CAM to sell it. They donated 50% of the stock to Watchtower, but retained the voting rights for themselves. They no doubt got a big tax deduction for the donation, while ensuring they kept control of the company.

  I believe, from prior research, that one or more of the JW's involved in this were DF'd.