Posts by JeffT

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

JeffT

The following is personal opinion based on experience. I'm a recovering alcoholic. In the summer of 2005 I attempted to take my own life. When I botched that I went into rehab and started putting my life back together. I ended up working in the rehab center for four years, and was able to watch how addicts behaved.

No matter what you are addicted to, you will demonstrate a cluster of common behaviors. Alcohol, cocaine, heroin, sex, porn, marijuana, chocolate all hit the same pleasure center in the brain. (OK, you won't go to jail for eating too much chocolate but it is still addictive).

Reading this thread has been like looking into a mirror showing myself in 2005. All addicts lie. As one of my co-workers said about one of our patients "he lied even when telling the truth would have served him better." I've seen comments here about how Lloyd probably gets kicks from lying. I disagree, I think he lies because he doesn't no how to tell the truth.

The other thing addicts do, is fight like cornered rats when somebody tries to take away our drug of choice. We've seen a lot of that here, too.

Lloyd, it doesn't have to be like this. There is still time for you to turn the ship around, redeem yourself and become an accepted member of this community, and society at large. Hell, I did it. It is painful to do (my initial recovery involved jail and community service time.) I don't know if you are an addict, but you have some issues that look al lot like addiction. Whatever it is, there are solutions. Find one, its worth it.

By the way, I think this is the second time I've said all this. I hope you are listening this time.

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Goodbye Mother

by punkofnice in

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so my mother passed on 20 aug 23 from the big c. i was there when she went.

that was indeed very traumatic.

i won't go to describe it.. dad went 17 years ago so there's just me now.

JeffT

You have my condolences for your loss.

I think times of loss are when you really see the fruits of the Watchtower religion. They can't set their petty rules aside for five minutes and act like decent people. I wonder if any of them every actually see these services for what they are, or think about the impression they are really giving non-JW's.

I have to believe that anybody with half a brain will think they're all batshit crazy.

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Are Elders prepared to take the fall for WT/GB misdemeanor's / crime ??

by smiddy3 in

i have been thinking about this in relation to the directive given to elders to destroy any incriminating evidence they may have either on their pc`s ,e-mails , private notes in their possession, or notes in their witnessing bags ,etc.

to do with child sexual abuse they may still have in their possession.. isn`t that encouraging the elders to interfere with the justice system ?.

to break the law?.

JeffT

I've thought for some time that the WTBS is setting things up so they can hang the elders out to dry. They may not succeed with that but they are still going to try.

This is relevant: https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime-penalties/federal/Tampering-with-evidence.htm

"A person commits the federal crime of tampering with evidence when he or she knowingly alters, conceals, falsifies, or destroys any record, document, or tangible object with the intent to interfere with an investigation, possible investigation, or other proceedings by the federal government. (18 U.S.C. § 1519.) State laws also make it a crime to tamper with evidence in officials proceeding and investigations."

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

JeffT

So he wants to "broaden" his understanding of the Bible and various religions etc.

Lloyd, you are not qualified to do that, unless you have some education we don't know about. If you want to talk as an expert, go get a PhD in religious studies. Of course, that is a lot of work, but right now, you don't have any more qualifications than anybody else on this board, maybe less. Some of us have college degrees.

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Church buys GEICO Woodbury property for $27M

by Rattigan350 in

https://libn.com/2023/01/09/church-buys-geico-woodbury-property-for-27m/.

after a previous sale fell through, geico has sold its sprawling woodbury property for $27 million.

the buyer for the 236,365-square-foot office building on 20 acres at 750 woodbury road is the christian congregation of jehovah’s witnesses.

JeffT

27M is not a big deal in the commercial real estate market, probably not a big deal in the religious property market. We will see what they do with it. Maybe a home for old JW's.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

JeffT

I've been keeping a low profile for some time now, mainly due to health concerns. But I want to give a big thank you to everyone who is making this happen. There is nothing like discovering original documents to get my attention.

Good work everybody.

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double standard

by enoughisenough in

i was thinking about the henrietta ??

trust that the org has with the questionable stock in warfare, entertainment, and tobacco among others.

why wouldn't they get rid of all of that?

JeffT

You're welcome.

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double standard

by enoughisenough in

i was thinking about the henrietta ??

trust that the org has with the questionable stock in warfare, entertainment, and tobacco among others.

why wouldn't they get rid of all of that?

JeffT

Retired accountant here. I thought I was done explaining the Henrietta O'Reilly trust but I guess not.

The US tax code, enforced by the IRS has a lot of rules regarding trusts. First of all the beneficiary (in this case the Watchtower) has no say in how the trust is managed, subject to what is written in the trust document. Additionally if the beneficiary does not want to accept the trust, he has a limited time to do so, after that they're stuck with it.

My guess is that O'Reilly set up the trust which started sending money to the Watchtower, which didn't pay much attention to where it came from. Now they can't divest the trust.

I'm on the road, my ability to get on this board may be limited. If somebody wants more information on trusts I'll dig it out for you when I get home.

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Kingdom Services Selling Old Junk

by Chevelle in

what a pathetic state if affairs.. https://used-tools-equipment.com/.

are they really this clueless and desperate?.

most organizations would just toss this stuff in the trash bin..

JeffT

Most organizations would just toss this stuff in the trash bin.

Twenty-six years of real estate industry accounting here. Actually, these sales are fairly common in the construction and development industry. They don't generate a lot of income but it is still better than tossing it into the dump. There are a couple of large auction firms here in Seattle who will come get your stuff and put up for sale. Big stuff gets sold at auction, small stuff ends up in what looks like a big yard sale; nuts and bolts and the like get sold by the pound.

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Anthony Morris the III has been FOUND

by Terry in

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note: photos can be found on the blue envelope channelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nakezkhqbmtony and susan morris are living in lumberton, north carolina.

a real estate document on the robeson county website is filed:.

the religious order of jehovah's witnesses has provided a "life estate" for them.they can live in this townhouse until they are deceased or choose to move away and in either case the ownership becomes entirely the property of jehovah's witnesses.

JeffT

As others have noted, I think they learned something from their handling of Ray Franz. They can't keep him from testifying in court if summoned, but they can keep him from writing a book. Giving him a house and whatever he might need, contingent on keeping his mouth shut is doable.

I'm also guessing that where they hid him was in a residential rehab facility. If he really did have a drinking problem, getting him dried out would be a priority. The last thing they want is a raging alcoholic GB member giving press conferences. They also can't give out details of his health problems (HIPPA) but they can say he is being treated. When the time comes they could try to sell all of this to the rank and file as an example of Jehovah taking care of the flock.