Posts by YoursChelbie

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The WBTS really is a dangerous organization

by pratt1 in

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it has been well documented that some extreme cults have be able to isolate their memebers and then have them kill themselves because of their beliefs.. the dubs has always looked at these cults as being mislead by the devil and the dubs would never do anything as drastic a mass suicide.. however as a child i remember thinking that at the begining of the great tribulation, the fds might tell us to run, or congragate somewhere isolated and we would actually leave with on the clothes on our back, and anyone not heeding this warning would be killed at the battle of "armefogotten".. if the fds could get the dubs to leave their home and familes, bascially their lives behind, isn't it just a small stretch to think that a desicion to end ones earthly life could be the next request?.

also remember that particularily the jim jones event, some members had to be physically forced to drink the kool - aid while others freely drank.. does anyone else think that because of the power that the wbts has over it memebers, if they decided to do something drastic, many of the members would just blindly comply?

YoursChelbie

I have personally heard in disbelief a Jehovah's Witness man (who claimed to be of the "anointed") yell to an eight-year old little girl whom he suspected was participating in holiday celebrations with her non-JW Grandmother:

"YOU ARE GOING TO BE DESTROYED AT ARMAGEDDON!"

This immediately brought a look of fear and tears to this little girl's face. That is one event I will never forget. It led me to seriously begin considering the Watchtower religion as a sick cult to allow this type of emotional abuse.

YC

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JW (?) EMAIL: Check it out!

by lisaBObeesa in

jw
friends

i got this email in 2001 from someone i don't know.

i posted about it back then, but got no responses.

it is kinda a long read, but worth it.

YoursChelbie

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This magazine illustrates the Watchtower organization's condoning and approving the giving up of young children's precious life for what? To follow and obey the Watchtower's man made rule against even an autologous blood transfussion in cases when such treatment is deemed necessary by doctors in an emergency medical situation.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/104882/1.ashx

YC

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Real 'BIG' news WTS sued biggie worker compensation

by DannyHaszard in

jehovah's loses comp case

church may be forced to pay millions

by jess wisloski.

YoursChelbie

From: http://www.wcb.state.ny.us/content/main/fraud/fraudbrochure.htm

Employers who misclassify their employees or payroll are committing fraud.

Employer Fraud
Occurs when an employer knowingly misrepresents the truth in order to avoid, deny or obtain compensation on behalf of employees, or knowingly lies about entitlement to benefits to discourage an injured employee from pursuing a claim. Occurs when an employer knowingly lies in order to obtain a workers’ compensation insurance policy at less than the proper premium rate.
Examples of Employer Fraud:
Lying about the job risk or exposure by: underreporting payroll; misclassifying payroll; or lying about company ownership to avoid a higher experience modification.
Telling an employee that workers’ compensation benefits are only available if he or she has been employed for six months or more.
Reporting Fraud

Any claims of suspected workers' compensation fraud should be referred to the Workers' Compensation Fraud Inspector General for investigation and development of the appropriate case for prosecution by the State Attorney General's Office, or local District Attorneys.
The Fraud Inspector General may be contacted by writing to:

Office of the Fraud Inspector General
New York State Workers’ Compensation Board
20 Park St.
Albany, NY 12207 518-473-4839

One example of fraud

Workers' Comp Board & Insurance Dept. Announce
Workers' Compensation Board Chairman Robert R. Snashall and New York State Superintendent of Insurance Gregory V. Serio announced the arrests of five employers on fraud charges. The employers, all of whom operate landscaping businesses, are charged with felony falsifying business records and felony workers' compensation fraud. [.....]
Under law, all business owners who have employees are required to secure insurance to protect workers injured on the job.
Board Chairman Snashall said, "This crime is particularly offensive because these employers were willing to ignore the law at the expense of injured workers. The Governor has made it clear. If you flaunt the law you will pay a price. Sooner or later unscrupulous people will learn that it's just not worth it."
"By pooling the resources and expertise of the Department's Frauds Bureau with the Rockland County District Attorney's office, the State Workers Compensation Fraud Inspector General and the Clarkstown Police Department, we have prevented these criminals from continuing to defraud the workers compensation system," said Superintendent of Insurance Gregory V. Serio. "We remain committed to finding and prosecuting fraudsters like those arrested today, whose actions erode a vital workplace protection that was created for the benefit of all workers."
In 1996, Governor George E. Pataki created the Office of Fraud Inspector General and elevated workers' compensation fraud to an e-felony. The charges carry a possible prison term of up to 4 years, fines and restitution. Workers' injured while working for an uninsured employer are entitled to benefits paid through the Uninsured Employers Fund which is maintained by the Workers' Compensation Board and financed through a surcharge added to the premiums paid by all of New York's employers.
Workers' Compensation Fraud Inspector General John H. Burgher said, "Employers who evade their responsibility to protect injured workers shift their liability onto the backs of 's law abiding employers

From: http://www.wcb.state.ny.us/content/main/PressRe/5arrests.htm

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JW video about Katrina relief

by zagor in

i've just discovered google's video engine so i've treid it by finding something about jws

YoursChelbie

This is really commendable. Now if they can just videotape the Governing Body members renouncing the "two-witness" rule, renouncing the ban on blood transfussion, renouncing the baptism of minors and renouncing extreme shunning of dissidents and you've got really good humanitarian works that everyone can benefit from on a daily basis not just in times of natural disaster.

YC

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THANK YOU ALL SOOOOO MUCH

by lv4fer in

jw
friends

you know i'm not sure if i've ever thanked all of you.

thank you simon!!!

when i was coming out 3-4 years ago, i don't know how i could of done it without you all.

YoursChelbie

That IS great news!!

Congratulations on being free!

YC

11

My first intentional skipping of field service

by Dune in

jw
friends

so i woke up this morning and i just didnt feel like going to field service.

you may be wondering "why the hell does this matter?

i dont ever go out .

YoursChelbie

Congratulations!

It was a great feeling, for me anyway, to know that I wasn't leading other people to an organization that lies, misrepresents and mistreats honest hearted ones.

YC

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My first intentional skipping of field service

by Dune in

jw
friends

so i woke up this morning and i just didnt feel like going to field service.

you may be wondering "why the hell does this matter?

i dont ever go out .

YoursChelbie

Congratulations!

It's great to know you aren't leading other people to an organization that lies, misrepresents and mistreats honest hearted ones.

YC

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My D/f appeal meeting went amazingly, but the still want to d/f me

by jwfacts in

sorry how long this is but i found the meeting very exciting.

the short version is i said directly that i do not believe in the wts, feel being d/f is unfair on my jw family so asked them to just leave me alone.

it didn't work.

YoursChelbie

my last words to him were, ‘How many families do you plan to destroy during your time as an elder?’

Food for thought, no doubt. You handled yourself very well. Congratulations.

Thanks for letting us in on the details.

YC

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The bottom line argument a dub must accept to refuse blood

by Check_Your_Premises in

jw
friends

since the entire scriptural, historical, and medical basis for the ban on blood is baseless and incoherent, ultimately it rests on the credibility of the wt as god's organization.. of course we can't rely on that either, because the history of the wt includes a ban on organ transplants and vaccinations.

today they allow those treatments, and therefore by their own admission they incorrectly placed restrictions on them in the past.

unquestionably people died adhering to those restrictions.

YoursChelbie

JOINT COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN AFFAIRS, DEFENCE AND TRADE Reference: religion and belief FRIDAY, 15 OCTOBER 1999 BY AUTHORITY OF THE PARLIAMENT

In response to the question of whether Jesus ever said that his followers should abstain from blood, Mr. MacLean a WTS representative answered in this manner:

Mr MacLean —Not specifically, no, but he quoted God’s law continually hundreds of times including various parts of the law of God which contain this very prominently in it.
Senator SCHACHT —Which law of God is that?
Mr MacLean —That is the old Hebrew law that was given to the Hebrew Jews of which Jesus was, of course, a Jew himself. He was familiar with the laws.
Senator SCHACHT —He was Jewish, of course. He was born a Jew. Back to the Old Testament and the Hebrew view, we should have asked this question when we had the Jewish people before us here before lunch. As far as I am aware, I do not think they ban blood transfusions.
Mr MacLean —No.
Senator SCHACHT —If it was an old Hebrew law, one would have thought it would have had some standing in Jewish practice and theology.
Mr MacLean —We would agree. We wonder why.

From: http://www.aph.gov.au/hansard/joint/commttee/j2444.pdf#search='Donald%20Maclean%20and%20Watchtower'

It remains a personal question: Would a Christian leave children, elderly parents or a spouse to follow the commands of men? Or would they instead follow the Bible-- which gives no basis for refussing a blood tranfussion as a medical treatment? (see also: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/104153/1.ashx)

YC

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Can a divorcee remarry scripturally?

by rootofallevil in

i have been visiting this board for the last six months and it has opened my eyes!.

i feel like i was tricked into this religion - since 1975.

i would like to say thanks to all who post on this forum.

YoursChelbie

Romans 13 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society Romans 13
Submission to the Authorities
1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. 4 For he is God's servant to do you good.

On this basis, a Christian can Biblically obtain a "no fault divorce” if this provision is available in their locality.

Upon paying the filing fee to the court and following thru with the legal proceedings, anyone can find relief for themselves of “irreconcilable differences" and be free from an unhappy marriage. In this way they can be free to legally marry in the future if they choose to do so.

YC