what was it that first got you thinking that the society was wrong in how they interpret the bible?.
for me personally, it was the way they always downgrade jesus to be an angel and are promoting the governing body in his place.. also when the society taught that jesus was abaddon/apollyon the fallen angel in revelation..
What was it that first got you thinking that the Society was WRONG in how they INTERPRET the BIBLE?
For me personally, it was the way they always downgrade Jesus to be an angel and are promoting the Governing Body in His place.
Also when the Society taught that Jesus was Abaddon/Apollyon the FALLEN ANGEL in Revelation.
trinity challenge using only the new world translation of the holy scriptures -- let us debate and reason on the scriptures about whether god almighty is a trinity, or is only one person.. on another thread, bane said that we know for a fact immediately that nearly all religions other than jehovah's witnesses are false because almost all of them believe in the trinity.
and bane claims he can "out-scripturize" anyone with the help of jehovah.
* the son was praying to the father.
Podo,
Thank you very much for your kind words.
And any time you want to discuss anything about the Bible or Watchtower Publications, I am here. We may not always agree, but I will never be harsh or rude or attack you.
trinity challenge using only the new world translation of the holy scriptures -- let us debate and reason on the scriptures about whether god almighty is a trinity, or is only one person.. on another thread, bane said that we know for a fact immediately that nearly all religions other than jehovah's witnesses are false because almost all of them believe in the trinity.
and bane claims he can "out-scripturize" anyone with the help of jehovah.
* the son was praying to the father.
EndOfMysteries,
Thank you again for your thought-provoking posts. I love seeing and considering other people's viewpoints.
After all, I definitely do not know everything and there is much yet for me to learn about the Bible and God.
What you said truly has made me decide to look at those Scriptures again with fresh eyes. (Did I just start a new figure of speech? lol)
I will ask God to guide me in finding the correct understanding of those passages.
After I have re-considered those verses more in-depth, I will let you know if my understanding changes or if I learn anything different or new (which is almost 100% sure to happen).
the anointed do not have more bible understanding than the great crowd!.
the watchtower, june 15th, 1996, page 31:.
the other sheep today perform the same preaching work as the remnant, under the same trying conditions, and manifest the same faithfulness and integrity.
There definitely seems to be two exact opposite things being taught by the Watchtower Society at the SAME TIME.
On the one hand, they teach that Jesus only entrusted the feeding of "Spiritual Food at the Proper Time" to THE ANOINTED, and that Jesus only allows THE ANOINTED to serve on the Governing Body.
the watchtower society claims that jehovah's witnesses are not dedicated to the watchtower organization!.
this claim is made in the quotes below.. however, how can this be true, while at the same time, all jehovah's witnesses are baptized in the name of the "spirit-directed organization"?.
the watchtower, july 1st, 1970, page 404:.
10west,
Was that a serious post or a sarcastic post? Or what?
trinity challenge using only the new world translation of the holy scriptures -- let us debate and reason on the scriptures about whether god almighty is a trinity, or is only one person.. on another thread, bane said that we know for a fact immediately that nearly all religions other than jehovah's witnesses are false because almost all of them believe in the trinity.
and bane claims he can "out-scripturize" anyone with the help of jehovah.
* the son was praying to the father.
End Of Mysteries,
I apologize for the delay in replying.
You said:
I'll just show a few scriptures, which without being in 'interlinear' will show how the current teachings are not in harmony with the bible and there is much confusion over the matter.
The bible itself can clear up the mess with a LOT of faith and study, and if God opens your eyes.
The Song of Moses - important, since it's even mentioned in Revelation
Duet 32:8, 9 - When the Most High gave the nations an inheritance, When he parted the SONS OF ADAM from one another, He proceeded to FIX THE BOUNDARY OF THE PEOPLES WITH REGARD TO THE NUMBER OF THE SONS OF ISRAEL. 9 For JEHOVAH'S SHARE is his people; Jacob is THE ALLOTMENT THAT HE INHERITS.
Amos 5:25 - 25 Was it sacrifices and gift offerings that YOU people brought near to me in the wilderness for forty years, O house of Israel? 26 And YOU will certainly carry Sak′kuth YOUR king and Kai′wan, YOUR images, the star of YOUR god, whom YOU made for yourselves
Acts 7:42 - So God turned and handed them over to render sacred service to the army of heaven, just as it is written in the book of the prophets, ‘It was not to me that YOU offered victims and sacrifices for forty years in the wilderness, was it, O house of Israel? 43 But it was the tent of Mo′loch and the star of the god Re′phan that YOU took up, the figures which YOU made to worship them.
Mark 12:26 - 26 But concerning the dead, that they are raised up, did YOU not read in the book of Moses, in the account about the thornbush, how God said to him, ‘I am the God of Abraham and God of Isaac and God of Jacob’? 27 He is a God, not of the dead, but of the living. YOU are much mistaken.”
Ps 110:1 - 110 The utterance of Jehovah to my Lord is:
“Sit at my right hand
Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.” (WHO IS DAVID'S LORD?)There is much more can post, I am not free to say anything really about this subject, I will caution that your first inclinations will change probably AND that you must be "quick to hear, SLOW to speak".
What I posted should just get you to think that what you've been taught may not be even in harmony with the scriptures, and encourage to read and research them.
MY REPLY:
I'm not sure I know what point you are trying to make with Deuteronomy 32:8-9?
If you are trying to say that the "Most High" is different from "Jehovah", then you should keep in mind Genesis 14:22 which says that Jehovah is the Most High.
This passage is teaching that Jehovah, who is the Most High, separated the land and people of Israel to BE HIS in a special way that no other nation was, a people for His Name.
Amos 5:25 is teaching that Jehovah, the Almighty, is going to punish His people Israel for sinning and violating His Covenant, and worshiping other gods. And they started doing this even in the Wilderness when He first led them out of Egypt.
Acts 7:42 is teaching the same thing.
In Mark 12:26, Jesus is teaching that those faithful ones of old who have died, are still alive with God in Paradise and their bodies will be raised in the future.
(An alternate understanding of this, which the JW's teach, is that Jesus was simply saying that those faithful ones of old who have died are in Jehovah's MEMORY, and He still thinks of them as if they are alive, and so He will definitely resurrect them in the future).
Psalm 110 is where One Divine Person called Jehovah is speaking and making a promise to a 2nd Divine Person called "The Lord of David".
Jehovah promises to make "The Lord" sit at His right hand and to make Him a Priest forever after the manner of Melchizedek.
All of this is explained very well in the Bible book of Hebrews.
trinity challenge using only the new world translation of the holy scriptures -- let us debate and reason on the scriptures about whether god almighty is a trinity, or is only one person.. on another thread, bane said that we know for a fact immediately that nearly all religions other than jehovah's witnesses are false because almost all of them believe in the trinity.
and bane claims he can "out-scripturize" anyone with the help of jehovah.
* the son was praying to the father.
That is a great idea! We need to have a "POLL" option where readers can vote on who was ahead and made a better argument in this debate.
what is the governing body?.
we hear so much about "the governing body" from jehovah's witnesses and from watchtower publications.
just what is this governing body?.
I would love to hear a JW say "The Bible says there would be an overlapping two-part generation in the last days"
trinity challenge using only the new world translation of the holy scriptures -- let us debate and reason on the scriptures about whether god almighty is a trinity, or is only one person.. on another thread, bane said that we know for a fact immediately that nearly all religions other than jehovah's witnesses are false because almost all of them believe in the trinity.
and bane claims he can "out-scripturize" anyone with the help of jehovah.
* the son was praying to the father.
djeggnog,
I can't say I am surprised that you are bowing out. You have been saying you were thinking of bowing out since the first few posts you made in this thread. You have also attempted to add additional "rules" or "boundaries" that we did not agree to.
Your comments about the Watchtower Publications, Penises, Disfellowshipping, Spirits, and other off-topic subjects, and your rude insults and ad hominem attacks have taken this thread far off its original course.
You ridicule and belittle and judge people as if you have some special authority to do so.
You are now attempting to divert attention from my actual arguments by making an issue out of posts I made IN RESPONSE TO OTHERS and which were NOT addressed to you. I never made an agreement with anyone but you to only use the NWT.
If you can't handle a Bible debate without resorting to ad hominem and name-calling and propaganda tactics, then perhaps it is for the best that you bow out.
) on gen. 15:13 (luther martin, date setters, guardian of truth, sept. 15, 1994).
(luther martin, date setters, guardian of truth, sept. 15, 1994).
(luther martin, date setters, guardian of truth, sept. 15, 1994).
Sabastious,
Great question!
I think the answer is found in 2 Peter 3:11-14:
Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought YOU to be in holy acts of conduct and deeds of godly devotion, awaiting and keeping close in mind the presence of the day of Jehovah, through which [the] heavens being on fire will be dissolved and [the] elements being intensely hot will melt! But there are new heavens and a new earth that we are awaiting according to his promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell. Hence, beloved ones, since YOU are awaiting these things, do YOUR utmost to be found finally by him spotless and unblemished and in peace.
So, the command to "be ready" means that we should be ready in the sense of our conduct and how we are living, no matter when Jesus returns.
