>do you remember at assemblies when you would hear talks on how the organization loves its young people.
by publishing a book "young people ask" this would be pretty much the extent of what they would do for it's young people.
it would be like a father saying to his kids i love you, here is a book how to live your life and never spend any time with them.
Here is a Link to a Thread about some of the Watchtower Society's Views on Children:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=35540&site=3
Makes me sick.
Also, this last Sunday, at a Meeting, a "Brother" gave an Answer on the Watchtower Study, and he said that Jehovah's Witnesses are not supposed to have fun (another "Brother" gave about the same answer)!
the quotes below just make me sick!.
look at these wicked mind-control teachings (which are like so many others)!.
*** watchtower april 15th 1995 issue ***.
Great Comments!
Here are some additional Quotes from the Watchtower about Children:
*** FACE THE FACTS (Book), Pages 46 and 49-50 ***
Would it be Scripturally proper for them to now marry and begin to rear children? No, is the answer, which is supported by the Scriptures. ... Those Jonadabs who now contemplate marriage, it would seem, would do better if they wait a few years, until the fiery storm of Armageddon is gone...
*** The Watchtower November 1st 1938 Issue, Page 324 ***
There is no reasonable or scriptural injunction to bring children into the world before Armageddon, where we are now.
*** Awake! November 8th 1974 Issue, Page 11 ***
A great crowd of people are confidant that great destruction is imminent, which has been a major factor in their decision not to have children.
*** The Watchtower March 1st 1988 Issue, Pages 18-22 ***
Childbearing Among God's People
Childbearing Today
15 How should Christians view marriage and childbearing today, in this "time of the end"? (Daniel 12:4) It is truer than ever that "the scene of this world is changing," or, as another translation puts it, "the present scheme of things is rapidly passing away."-1 Corinthians 7:31, Phillips.
16 Now, as never before, "the time left is reduced." Yes, only a limited time remains for Jehovah's people to finish the work he has given them to do, namely: "This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come." (Matthew 24:14) That work must be accomplished before the end comes. It is, therefore, appropriate for Christians to ask themselves how getting married or, if married, having children will affect their share in that vital work.
An Ancient Example
17 Jesus likened the time of "the presence of the Son of man" to "the days of Noah." (Matthew 24:37) Noah and his three sons had a specific work to accomplish before the Flood. It involved building a gigantic ark and preaching. (Genesis 6:13-16; 2 Peter 2:5) When Jehovah gave instructions about the building of the ark, Noah's sons were apparently already married. (Genesis 6:18) We do not know exactly how long it took to build the ark, but it seems likely that it took several decades. Interestingly, during all this pre-Flood period, Noah's sons and their wives had no children. The apostle Peter specifically states that 'eight souls were carried safely through the water,' that is, four married couples but no children. (1 Peter 3:20) The sons' remaining childless was possibly for two reasons. First, in view of the approaching destruction by a deluge of waters, they had a divinely appointed job to do that required their undivided attention. Second, they doubtless felt disinclined to bring children into a world where "the badness of man was abundant in the earth and every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only bad all the time," a world "full of violence."-Genesis 6:5, 13.
18 This is not to say that the course of action taken by Noah's sons and their wives before the Deluge was meant to set the rule for married couples living today. Nevertheless, since Jesus compared Noah's day to the period in which we are now living, their example can provide food for thought.
"Critical Times"
19 Like Noah and his family, we are also living in "a world of ungodly people." (2 Peter 2:5) Like them, we are in "the last days" of a wicked system of things that is about to be destroyed. The apostle Paul prophesied that "the last days" of Satan's system would bring "critical times hard to deal with." Showing that raising children would be one of the things hard to deal with, he added that children would be "disobedient to parents." He stated that people in general, not excluding children and adolescents, would be "unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection." (2 Timothy 3:1-3) While Paul was here prophesying of conditions among worldly people, obviously such prevalent attitudes would make the rearing of children increasingly difficult for Christians, as many have experienced.
20 All the foregoing shows that it is necessary to have a balanced view of childbearing. While it can bring many joys, it can also bring many heartaches. It has advantages and disadvantages. Some of these will be considered in the following article.
Quick flight from Jerusalem would be more difficult for those with young children
Pages 23-27:
Responsible Childbearing in This Time of the End
"Presiding in a fine manner over children."-1 TIMOTHY 3:12.
THE joy of parenthood is undeniable. The maternal instinct is natural, although stronger in some women than in others. In many Western lands, little boys are more interested in playing with mechanical toys, while little girls generally prefer dolls, which toy makers strive to make as realistic as possible. Many girls just live for the day when they will be able to cuddle, not a doll, but their own live, warm, gurgling baby.
Joys and Responsibilities
2 Responsible childbearing requires parents to consider a newborn baby not as a plaything but as a creature for whose life and future they are accountable to the Creator. When they bring a child into the world, parents must be prepared to take on a big responsibility and adjust accordingly. They are embarking on a 20-year feeding, clothing, health-care, and education program, with the end result unpredictable.
3 Happily, a great many Christian parents have raised children who have become faithful, dedicated servants of Jehovah. Some have seen their children grow up and enter the full-time service as pioneers, missionaries, or Bethel family members. Of such parents it can truly be said: "The father of a righteous one will without fail be joyful; the one becoming father to a wise one will also rejoice in him. Your father and your mother will rejoice, and she that gave birth to you will be joyful."-Proverbs 23:24, 25.
Parental Heartaches
4 But this is not always the case, even for elders who have children. The apostle Paul wrote: "The overseer should therefore be irreprehensible, a husband of one wife . . . a man presiding over his own household in a fine manner, having children in subjection with all seriousness; (if indeed any man does not know how to preside over his own household, how will he take care of God's congregation?)" Paul added: "Let ministerial servants be husbands of one wife, presiding in a fine manner over children and their own households."-1 Timothy 3:2-5, 12.
5 Of course, Christian elders and ministerial servants cannot be held responsible if their children, once of age, refuse to continue serving Jehovah. But they are responsible for their minor children and for older children who are still living under their roof. Elders and ministerial servants have lost precious privileges of service because they became negligent or failed seriously to meet the Scriptural requirement of "presiding in a fine manner over children and their own households." For such ones, and for many others, their children brought them more distress than joy. How often the proverb has proved true: "A stupid son means adversities to his father"!-Proverbs 19:13.
Responsible Fatherhood
6 All Christian husbands, whether they have congregational responsibilities or not, should also consider the effect that taking care of young children could have on their wife's spirituality. If a wife is not spiritually strong, how will a baby, or a number of babies, affect her personal study and opportunities to share in the preaching work?
7 Do husbands always realize that taking care of a baby or a young child often prevents their wives from getting full benefit from the Congregation Book Study, Kingdom Hall meetings, circuit assemblies, and district conventions? Such a situation can last for months, and even years, when baby follows baby. It is in the nature of things that the load, in this respect, falls mainly on the mother, rather than on the father. It has sometimes been observed that whereas some Christian men progress spiritually, even to the point of being assigned privileges in the congregation, their wives become spiritually weak. Why? Often it is because their young children prevent the wives from concentrating at meetings, doing deep Bible study, or sharing in a large measure in the witnessing work. Can fatherhood be called responsible if it permits such situations to develop?
8 Fortunately, this is not always the case. Many Christian fathers do their utmost to share the load of looking after the children. They take their full share in seeing that their children remain quiet during congregation meetings. If their baby starts to cry, or their child becomes boisterous, they in their turn will take it outside for appropriate discipline. Why should mother always be the one to lose parts of the meetings? At home, considerate husbands help their wives with the chores and in getting the children to bed so that husband and wife can sit down to concentrate quietly on spiritual matters.
9 When things are properly organized in a congregation, young mothers with babies can share in the auxiliary pioneer service. Some are even regular pioneers. So children are not always a handicap. Many Christian parents show a fine pioneer spirit.
Childless But Happy
10 Some young couples have decided to remain childless. Although the wives had maternal instincts just as strong as those in other women, they decided, in agreement with their husbands, to refrain from having children in order to devote themselves to serving Jehovah full-time. Many of them have served as pioneers or missionaries. They can now look back over the years with gratitude. To be sure, they have produced no fleshly children. But they have produced new disciples who have continued faithfully worshiping Jehovah. These 'genuine children in the faith' will never forget who was instrumental in bringing them "the word of truth."-1 Timothy 1:2; Ephesians 1:13; compare 1 Corinthians 4:14, 17; 1 John 2:1.
11 Many married couples throughout the world who have relinquished the joys of parenthood have been able to serve Jehovah in the circuit work, the district work, or at Bethel. These likewise look back with satisfaction over their lives spent serving Jehovah and their brothers in these special privileges. They have no regrets. While they have not had the joy of bringing children into the world, they have played a vital part in furthering Kingdom interests in their various fields of activity. Of all these couples who have remained childless "on account of the kingdom," the scripture is surely applicable that says: "God is not unrighteous so as to forget your work and the love you showed for his name, in that you have ministered to the holy ones and continue ministering."-Matthew 19:12; Hebrews 6:10.
A Personal Matter
12 As we saw at the outset of this discussion, childbearing is a gift of God. (Psalm 127:3) It is a unique privilege that is not shared by Jehovah's spirit creatures. (Matthew 22:30) There have been times when the bearing of children formed part of the work that Jehovah assigned to his servants on earth. This was the case with Adam and Eve. (Genesis 1:28) It was true of the Flood survivors. (Genesis 9:1) Jehovah willed that the sons of Israel should become numerous through childbearing.-Genesis 46:1-3; Exodus 1:7, 20; Deuteronomy 1:10.
13 Today, childbearing is not specifically a part of the work Jehovah has committed to his people. Nevertheless, it is still a privilege that he grants to married people if they desire it. Christian couples who decide to start a family should not, therefore, be criticized; neither should couples who refrain from having children.
14 So the matter of childbearing in this time of the end is a personal one that each couple must decide for itself. However, since "the time left is reduced," married couples would do well to weigh carefully and prayerfully the pros and cons of childbearing in these times. (1 Corinthians 7:29) Those who do choose to have children should be fully aware not only of the joys childbearing can bring but also of the responsibilities involved and the problems that can arise for them and the children they bring into the world.
When Unplanned
15 Some may say: 'That's all very well, but what if a child comes along unexpectedly?' This has happened to many couples who were fully aware of the fact that this is not the ideal time to bring children into the world. Some of them had been in the full-time service for years. How should they view the arrival of the unexpected newcomer?
16 This is where responsible parenthood comes into play. True, a pregnancy might be unexpected, but the baby that comes along cannot be considered unwanted by Christian parents. Whatever changes its arrival might bring about in their lives, they should certainly not feel resentment toward it. After all, they were responsible for its conception. Now that it is here, they should accept their changed situation, knowing that, in one way or another, "time and unforeseen occurrence befall" all humans. (Ecclesiastes 9:11) Willingly or not, they have taken part in a creative act of which Jehovah God is the Author. They should accept their child as a sacred trust and lovingly assume their responsibilities as "parents in union with the Lord."-Ephesians 6:1.
"Do Everything in the Name of the Lord"
17 Just before he gave counsel on family matters, the apostle Paul wrote: "Whatever it is that you do in word or in work, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, thanking God the Father through him." (Colossians 3:17-21) Whatever state a Christian may find himself in, he should be thankful to Jehovah and take advantage of his situation to "do everything in the name of the Lord."
18 The Christian who has chosen to remain single will use his or her freedom, not for self-indulgence, but to work "whole-souled as to Jehovah," if possible in some form of full-time service. (Colossians 3:23; 1 Corinthians 7:32) Similarly, a married couple who decide to refrain from having children will not selfishly 'make use of the world to the full' but will give Kingdom service the largest possible place in their lives.-1 Corinthians 7:29-31.
19 As for Christians who have children, they should accept their parenthood in a responsible way. Far from looking upon their children as a hindrance to serving Jehovah, they should consider them as a special assignment. What will this entail? Well, when a dedicated Christian meets someone who shows an interest in the truth, he starts a regular home Bible study with that one. Having started the study, the Witness is very diligent, returning week after week in order to help the interested one to make spiritual progress. Nothing less is needed in the case of a Christian's children. A regular, well-thought-out Bible study, starting as soon as possible and held on a regular basis, is needed to help the youngster to grow spiritually and to learn to love his Creator. (2 Timothy 3:14, 15) Additionally, parents will be careful to set a good example of Christian conduct in the home, just as they do in the Kingdom Hall. And where possible they will take the responsibility of training their children in the field service. In this way, in addition to preaching to other adults, parents will seek, with Jehovah's help, to "make disciples" of their own children.-Matthew 28:19.
Children During the "Great Tribulation"
20 Ahead of us is the "great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world's beginning until now, no, nor will occur again." (Matthew 24:21) It will be a difficult time for adults and children alike. In his prophecy on the conclusion of the present system of things, Jesus foretold that Christian truth would divide families. He stated: "Furthermore, brother will deliver brother over to death, and a father a child, and children will rise up against parents and have them put to death." (Mark 13:12) Obviously, rearing children in the time of the end would not always be a pure joy. It could bring heartbreak, disappointment, and even danger, as Jesus' words quoted above show.
21 But while being realistic about the difficulties ahead, those who have young children should not be unduly concerned about the future. If they remain faithful themselves and do their best to bring up their children "in the discipline and mental-regulating of Jehovah," they can be confident that their obedient children will be favorably considered. (Ephesians 6:4; compare 1 Corinthians 7:14.) As part of the "great crowd," they and their young children can hope to survive "the great tribulation." If such children grow up to be faithful servants of Jehovah, they will be eternally thankful to him that they had responsible parents.-Revelation 7:9, 14; Proverbs 4:1, 3, 10.
Review Questions
What long-term program does the birth of a child involve?
Why have some elders and ministerial servants lost their privileges?
What factors should a Christian husband consider with regard to his wife's becoming pregnant?
What proves that a Christian couple can be childless and happy?
How should the birth of a child be considered by the parents, and why do they not have to be unduly concerned about the future?
Fathers can share the responsibility of keeping children quiet during meetings
*** Watchtower, November 15th 1952 Issue, Page 703 ***
(I don't know if this is an exact Quote or a Paraphrase)
Disfellowshipped children, legally of age will be kicked out of the home.
Children should get away from disfellowshipped parents as soon as they are old enough to leave.
*** Organization for Kingdom-Preaching and Disciple-Making (1972), Page 173 ***
(I don't know if this is an exact Quote or a Paraphrase)
If a child of someone is disfellowshipped from the Kingdom Hall, the parent is to refuse to listen to the child's reason.
*** Your Youth - Getting the Best Out of It (1976) Page 65 ***
(I don't know if this is an exact Quote or a Paraphrase)
Association with non-Jehovah's Witness kids should be limited to trying to convert them.
*** Watchtower February 15th 1960 Issue, Pages 112-113 ***
(I don't know if this is an exact Quote or a Paraphrase)
Remember, you are to have "no association" with non-Jehovah's Witness friends or relatives. If they are honest and moral, that still does not make any difference.
*** Organized to Accomplish Our Ministry Book (1983), Page 133 ***
(I don't know if this is an exact Quote or a Paraphrase)
Listen! "it is expected" that you will have no extra-curricular activities outside of the Watchtower Society. Such activity is a "danger" and "worldly".
*** School and Jehovah's Witnesses Publication (1983), Page 23 ***
(I don't know if this is an exact Quote or a Paraphrase)
To play sports with children that are not Jehovah's Witnesses is definitely "unwholesome"!
*** Watchtower September 1st 1964 Issue, Page 535 ***
(I don't know if this is an exact Quote or a Paraphrase)
You are reminded that involvement in after-school sports tie you down, requiring you to spend evenings and weekends playing on a school team. You are expected to be at the lectures at the Kingdom Hall. "Any recreation you take outside of school should not be with worldly youths."
*** School and Jehovah's Witnesses (1983), Pages 24-25 ***
(I don't know if this is an exact Quote or a Paraphrase)
Hobby clubs lead to immoral character and might keep you away from the Kingdom Hall.
*** Watchtower September 1st 1964 Issue, Page 536 ***
(I don't know if this is an exact Quote or a Paraphrase)
They become "worldly alliances". The Watchtower asks you, is it "wise to enjoy hobbies with worldly people?" And "would it be proper to share hobbies with worldlings?"
*** School and Jehovah's Witnesses (1983), Pages 23-24 ***
(I don't know if this is an exact Quote or a Paraphrase)
Cheerleaders lead people into "frenzied cheering ... hero worship ... glorifying humans."
*** Watchtower June 15th 1964 Issue, Page 381 ***
(I don't know if this is an exact Quote or a Paraphrase)
Never become a homecoming queen! This would 'set up womanhood upon a pedestal."
*** Your Youth - Getting The Best Out Of It (1976), Page 123 ***
(I don't know if this is an exact Quote or a Paraphrase)
Non-team competition you can play includes hiking, handball and badminton or pitching horseshoes.
*** Your Youth - Getting The Best Out Of It (1976), Page 118 ***
(I don't know if this is an exact Quote or a Paraphrase)
The Watchtower Society agrees with the psychologist who says little league baseball should be avoided, too competitive.
*** Awake! March 22nd 1973 Issue, Pages 12-14 ***
(I don't know if this is an exact Quote or a Paraphrase)
The real danger of playing chess is its military nature, the equivalent of the maneuvers enacted by little boys with toy soldiers.
*** Pay Attention to Yourselves and to All the Flock ("Secret Elders Manual") (1981 Edition), Page 150 ***
(I don't know if this is an exact Quote or a Paraphrase)
Karate, judo or other martial arts is a violent measure and would bring you under the judgement of the Elders.
*** Watchtower September 1st 1975 Issue, Page 543 AND Pay Attention to Yourselves and to All the Flock (1977), Page 105 ***
(I don't know if this is an exact Quote or a Paraphrase)
No Jehovah's Witness should want to go to college. Rather, work in the Watchtower Organization!
*** Watchtower March 15th 1969 Issue, Page 171 ***
(I don't know if this is an exact Quote or a Paraphrase)
Do not pursue higher education. There is very little time left! Make pioneer service, the full-time ministry with the possibility of Bethel or missionary service, your goal.
*** Awake! May 22nd 1969 Issue, Page 15 ***
(I don't know if this is an exact Quote or a Paraphrase)
What about professional careers? The position has not changed. If you are a young person thinking about a career - forget it. The end will be "in a few years".
this is, i believe, a very important scripture for jehovah's witnesses to read -- because it proves that in the mosaic law, there was a one-witness policy for rape!.
i want to give a huge thank you to "nanoprobe" for pointing this out on another thread!
i think everyone should ask the society about this scripture!.
I agree 100% with both of you.
The Society will use anything they want in order to accomplish whatever they want.
And I agree, Romans 13 and Colossians CLEARLY show how WRONG and EVIL the Society's Policies are.
I was just trying to show Witnesses, by using a Scripture in Deuteronomy (because the Society seems to LOVE using the 2-Witness Rule from Deuteronomy), that the Society is not even consistent if they are going by Rape Policies in the Mosaic Law.
The Society also has a 0-WITNESS POLICY for Whistle-Blowers!
If there is no God, why do humans have a conscience?
If there is no God, why do humans have morals and ethics?
this is, i believe, a very important scripture for jehovah's witnesses to read -- because it proves that in the mosaic law, there was a one-witness policy for rape!.
i want to give a huge thank you to "nanoprobe" for pointing this out on another thread!
i think everyone should ask the society about this scripture!.
This is, I believe, a VERY IMPORTANT SCRIPTURE for Jehovah's Witnesses to read -- because it PROVES that in the MOSAIC LAW, there was a ONE-WITNESS POLICY for RAPE!
I want to give a HUGE Thank You to "Nanoprobe" for pointing this out on another Thread! :-)
I think everyone should ask the Society about this Scripture!
Deuteronomy 22:25: If an engaged woman is raped out in the country, only the man will be put to death.
Deuteronomy 22:26: Do not punish the woman at all; she has done nothing wrong, and certainly nothing deserving death. This crime is like murder,
Deuteronomy 22:27: because the woman was ALONE out in the country when the man attacked her. She screamed, but there was NO ONE to help her.
Ask the Society why they have a RIGID TWO-WITNESS POLICY for CHILD RAPE!
I think that most all of the problems and wicked acts that have happened in Religion have been caused because of people following the Religious Leaders (just look at the Watchtower Society).
Jesus Christ said not to call anyone on Earth your "Leader" or your "Master" or your "Teacher" or your "Father", because only Jesus Christ is our Leader, and Master, and Teacher, and only the Heavenly Father is our Father.
If you look at what Jesus Christ taught: Love Your Neighbor as Yourself and Do to Others what you want them to do to you.
If everyone on Earth lived by these principles (regardless of their beliefs about God), there would be no Wars and Terrorism and other wickedness.
I believe that you do not need to go to a certain Church to be close to God, rather I believe that by believing in the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ, and by following the principles above, and reading the Holy Scriptures, and Praying, anyone can have a personal relationship with God.
Edited by - UnDisfellowshipped on 28 August 2002 8:38:49
I'm not sure who I've been brainwashed by?
I came to those beliefs after reading the Scriptures on my own.
Hi
Welcome to the Message Board (I'm a New Poster too).
I just want to say that there are a lot of things I don't understand in the Bible (I haven't read that much of the Bible yet), but I do believe in God Almighty (The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit).
I believe in Jesus Christ as my Lord, my God, my Savior, and my King!
I love the 4 Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) and Paul's Writings.
just to avoid misunderstandings and the like, could some enlighetened brain help a poor foreigner with explaining these terms and shortenings being used here, that i get them all more or less correctly:.
lol.
imho.
IMHO = "In my humble opinion"
IMNSHO = "In my not so humble opinion"
the quotes below just make me sick!.
look at these wicked mind-control teachings (which are like so many others)!.
*** watchtower april 15th 1995 issue ***.
The Quotes below just make me SICK!
Look at these WICKED MIND-CONTROL Teachings (which are like so many others)!
*** Watchtower April 15th 1995 Issue ***
"In that day of accounting, young children will be dealt with justly according to Jehovah's assessment of their roots, their parents, who have oversight of these children. Wicked parents will have no posterity to perpetuate their wicked ways."
(Translation -- If you leave the Society, God will destroy your CHILDREN too!)
*** Blood, Medecine, and the Law of God, Page 54 ***
[Note: This Publication is Not Available on the Official Watchtower Library CD-ROMs from 1993/1995/1999]
"They know that if they violate God's law on blood and the child dies in the process, they have endangered that child's opportunity for everlasting life in God's new world."
(Ezekiel 18:14) But suppose this evil man has a son who sees his father do these things and refuses to act like him.
(Ezekiel 18:15) He doesn't eat meat at local shrines or worship Israel's idols, and he doesn't have sex with someone else's wife.
(Ezekiel 18:16) He never cheats or robs anyone and doesn't even demand security for a loan. He gives food and clothes to the poor
(Ezekiel 18:17) and refuses to do anything evil or to charge interest. And he obeys all my laws and teachings. Such a man will live. His own father sinned, but this good man will not be put to death for the sins of his father.
(Ezekiel 18:18) It is his father who will die for cheating and robbing and doing evil.
(Ezekiel 18:19) You may wonder why a son isn't punished for the sins of his father. It is because the son does what is right and obeys my laws.
(Ezekiel 18:20) Only those who sin will be put to death. Children won't suffer for the sins of their parents, and parents won't suffer for the sins of their children. Good people will be rewarded for what they do, and evil people will be punished for what they do.
(Ezekiel 18:21) Suppose wicked people stop sinning and start obeying my laws and doing right. They won't be put to death.
(Ezekiel 18:22) All their sins will be forgiven, and they will live because they did right.
(Ezekiel 18:23) I, Jehovah God, don't like to see wicked people die. I enjoy seeing them turn from their sins and live.
If anyone has any other Quotes or Information or Comments on this Subject, please Post them here.
Edited by - UnDisfellowshipped on 28 August 2002 10:35:33
